Some people are so fickle…

Oh well, the fans he gains from appearing on Hannah Montana will make up for those of you who feel he’s now unworthy of your support.

YAY SNARKY’S. The voice of reason!!!

ok, seriously? seriously.
david is NOT going to appeal to ONE demographic. he is going to appeal to ALL demographics. how is his current marketing strategy NOT appealing him to ALL demographics?

i hate the j14 covers as much as the next person. when i first saw them in august, i was worried that was the ONLY promo strategy jive or azoff or WHOEVER was going to take. THIS IS NOT THE CASE, THOUGH. DO YOU NOT SEE THE QUIET PROMO ALL AROUND YOU?

- who is this solo tour, at small, intimate venues, appealing to other than the 18+ set? people with credit cards, who can get on at 10 AM and sell out bars?
edit: i forgot to add that azoff/jive/whoever is marketing him as a SINGER-SONGWRITER on his tour promo. which is awesome.

- he’s going on radio shows, PLAYING ACOUSTIC, UNPLUGGED. being an ARTIST, not a puppet. sounding smart and actually knowledgeable about what’s going on in his career. promoting that solo tour. AND HAVING FUN, BEING GOOFY, SINGING RANDOMLY, BEING EVERYTHING WE LOVE HIM FOR. pure, unadulterated david.

- he’s appealing to teens, tweens, 8-18, by appearing on goofy, but WITTY, teen shows, like hannah montana and icarly. they might be aimed at a younger audience, but you know what? i like them, too. they are FUNNY, witty, CLEVERLY WRITTEN. and by appearing on these shows, david is staying relevant in a pop culture dominated by hannah montana and co. BY BEING HIMSELF.

- speaking of, POP CULTURE. while he’s doing his raw, davidesque, intimate tour, his name will stay relevant in the gossip blogs that jump-started his career. he is staying RELEVANT, CURRENT, GOOFY, HIMSELF. he is what we NEED in this world — the polar opposite of BALEOUT and DOMESTIC DISTURBIA. pop culture needs him. and he’s staying there.

edit: thanks, seattle! i was writing so fast i forgot this one: “And Amy, you left out other not-so-quiet promo at the Holiday of Hope, Jingle Balls/Bashes, and talk show interviews. That’s a HUGE cross-section of the general public.” THIS. more! brilliant promo. *bows*

- while i’m on my edit, PRO-BOWL, too. hello, perfection. do you have any idea how many random men contacted mom to tell her her boi sang the SBB during the pro-bowl SPECTACULARLY?

so look. he’s not doing one thing. he’s not doing two things. he’s doing the BEST OF BOTH WORLDS, OK, TO BE CORNY. BEST OF ALL WORLDS.

mommy wanted me to add this: david’s path will not follow any pre-determined pattern because he is unlike anyone else.

Well, in spite of all the hoo haa, I am in seventh heaven because my tickets to David’s Infinity concert came in the mail today.

I don’t hink you’ll find most of us abandoning David. I hope the Snarky’s are right and David can mold himself to any audience. I think that is a lot to ask of anyone, but hey, let’s just pull hims arms and legs in 45 directions and see if he becomes Gumby.

I STILL love the VOICE.

Reposting this from the previous thread:

Am LMAO re David’s announcement of his next guesting. Am sorry guys but this is turning out to be a relentless comedy of errors. David really has that knack to surprise, no?

As to who will benefit the more, here is how I see the equation: Each will bring in what wanting in the other: Miley for quantity & form. David, the quality & substance.

OK, ALL TOGETHER NOW:This too shall pass… This too shall pass… This too shall pass… This too shall pass…

HAPPY – I think we need the paddles now, more than ever!

ANGELICA – Hey, don’t be too hard on yourself. None of us here is immune to certain bouts of… folly? lapses? Esp me, for sure I think. it’s another indication of ODD. haha. My hats off to you. Am a proud person myself, so I know writing that wasn’t easy.

TESS – the issue on disrespecting other fansites goes both ways. Even those from other fansites who suddenly post here are guilty of downing themselves. For why would they acquiesce to such notion and be defensive about it on the basis of something they read here? That is one thing that I respect in ND. Its identity is clear, solid and unwavering.

KIZZI – yes another tipping point but in this case I would say the point would be forked

Let me reiterate my outlook on ND — I take all sentiments, opinions and inanities posted here as coming from a position of love and concern for David and his artistry. It is just a matter of choosing how we express that love & concern.

Now… have to go back to work!

JR – Glad to see you – I’ve missed your posts!

Snarkys has a nearly 11 minute interview with David and Ryan…and it is interesting….!

like I’ve said before I’m more of an observer, great listener, shy non-verbalish in a group kinda gal by nature and all I can say is I’m exhausted lol

Ah, I see we have lots of visitors from other fan sites.

I don’t even know what to say on this latest news. It seems like David’s marketers have just switched gears.

I thought that David turned down an initial label offer from Disney and also a guest role in HSM3? I thought he initially didn’t want to go near Disney. I am utterly confused.

I suppose he is being targeted to everyone at the same time then. Not just to tweens or teens but to all ages. Kind of like a shot gun. An inelegant approach but there is no disputing the target will be acquired. I hope that when it becomes possible for him to aim and focus and call the shots himself, the target will not have scattered. But, I too have hope and will keep the faith. After all, he is, as Rascal says, anything but conventional. If anyone can do it, he can.

The utter lack of focus to the marketing is what confuses me. Now they are marketing him to pre-sexual audiences, perhaps because marketing him to an older crowd wasn’t getting the results they wanted? I am just guessing out loud here. Do labels typically do focus groups, phone surveys, and such as part of their market research?

Also, looking back at that three-tiered publicity campaign that emerged months back, would you say that they have stuck to schedule or original vision? Anyone have that marketing plan saved somewhere?

Rascal..you said..so lets do what we always do..well,

I will love David, The Voice..forever.
If I don’t act like it, it’s cuz I’m gettin’ older
and David isn’t..But that’s cool.
For I was just playin’ the fool.

I’ll temper my adoration with careful words
So as not to feed the flames & swords
That come from the woodwork to blame & scold
To make me feel bad, they are so bold.

So now to his concerts I will go
Where I will bask in the Archuglow
And hope I live a long & healthy life
To see my dream for David come alive.

Sorry..just feeling a little silly..stupid really. I really have been acting the fool and it was fun. but seeing David on iCarly & now on HM..I’m feeling like some kind of pervert. with all my OTT carrying on, so I’m done with all that..or at least I’m gonna try.

Later!

CHenson and others, David is coming to Europe: (from LAF)

in this video on Good Morning American (http://www.rickey.org/?p=11654), David says he’ll be doing some shows in Europe! I don’t know which cities… but cool!

Hey — now here’s an article that makes me feel VERY PROUD of our David:

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/marketwire/0473951.htm

#27 Well, can’t argue with that. Good will come of it.

SF: I love your poem. You always make me smile.

DJA4EVER, I did read that article and it did make me proud.

I don’t even know what to say…I am afraid to post now. Where is HG?…she always gives me courage …I have some sobering thoughts… getting up my nerve…. don’t know if I’ll find it.

I honestly don’t think that this move was something that David wanted to do. I think this comes more from his label/contract. (I want to know what that contract says). I say this based on what he said before about not going the Disney route. I agree with chenson about not minding him doing an occasional appearance on those type shows, but Hannah Montana…(I don’t like the actress herself, sorry to those HM fans). I am always watching those type shows with my kids anyway. I can watch David in them too.

Well, back to my house chores and kids. I am patient David, I can wait for my turn again. I know he is aware of his more mature fans. I know he is trying really hard to please everyone, so I can wait.

HAPPY – would a brownie help to get your nerve up?

Acclaimed artist David Archuleta of American Idol fame is the first artist to join the movement.

Okay… that lured me back….and also something Tess said… which I may forever be greatful.

I absolutely don’t have to support the likes of iCarly/Hannah and all that hoopla…God knows it will wear out soon enough.

If he gains something from it..perfect…he has us…afterall…and we’ll always be here. When the teen idol dies down…we’ll all support it when he recreates himself…because THAT will be the hardest thing he’s ever going to face.

Liz – #38 – Ha, yeah. The subdued, classic palette of the site visual design is pretty much out the window these days.

The glass-half-full view is even simpler than that, BJ. It sells records. Period, end of story.

Rascal36- I love you (see, I hadn’t said that yet today.)

from the press release…—“Additional artists are set to jump on board to record the song with their OWN UNIQUE SOUNDS AND STYLES as the movement continues throughout the year.”…

that last sentence leads me to infer that this rendition IS David’s own unique sound too… or was he not permitted to produce his version with his own sound?

just sayin’…

(when you end with “just sayin’” it seems to come off friendlier…i want to be friendly tonight….how ’bout them brownies?)

Oh, Liz. I could go on…. See… the thing about David is that with all his sweetness and light, he never allows his music, his art, his performances to live without… well, nutrition for lack of a better word. His “cloying monitor” is highly attenuated, he knows just when to pull back, how to avoid cheese or going over the top, how to be rich and sweet and yet still imbue the work with a certain pathos, a dash of darkness, a spice, a knowledge, a skill in just how to avoid the vacuous, empty calories that pervade the culture in… in…. in….. in shows like iCarly and Hannah Montanna and songwriting like “Let’s Talk About Love”!!!! AAAAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!!

btw rascal- “As it is, I am content to accept what I consider to be questionable but perhaps practical decisions.”

I will be sad for one more day and then I will accept it….

(can’t wait to see the glance-away live ….. can’t wait to see the glance-away live …… can’t wait to see the glance-away live …..)

I like it if he does all sorts of things concurrently. Gets his music out there to all different age groups and different types of music lovers. I like that he was singing in the probowl one day and on icarly on a different day. I can’t wait to see him in Reno. I want to see him back on Leno and Ellen, etc. once his tour gets going. I want him to be invited to sing at serious events. The more people who aren’t that familiar with his voice who hear him, the better.

Rascal, have you forgotten that David survived … no, conquered and emerged triumphant from … possibly THE cheesiest show on television — AMERICAN IDOL!!!???!!

Tofan: Love the avi! LOL!

Last night I was irritated. Tonight i just feel sick. It feels like someone died.

Gonna go listen to Patsy Cline sing Crazy.

A little melancholy music

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX0zfv8Ov5I

dawn- are you coming to the pre-gathering? come on….. it will be fun…

Funny from Dana/Amy at Snarky’s:

David will be performing in Asia and the UK! Yay, international Archies!

ANDDDDD… Richard overheard people talking about David recording a duet with Miley if his schedule allows. Who knows, though! Maybe just a little something for the episode? Hmmmmm. Sounds fun!

amy edit: um, yeah, i can’t do damage control on a duet, bbs. i best be getting a salary if they want me to try to convince you THAT is a good idea. hoodlums.

edit 2: seriously, though, her voice is deeper than his! did they not hear miley and taylor? on the bright side, though, david would make her sound like darth vader.

to paraphrase rascal #47: David knows how to be “rich and sweet, but with a dash of darkness.”

Sigh!!

I share your pain.

I am choosing to close my eyes until the tour begins.

(I’m not looking, I’m not looking, lalalalalalalalalalala, haha!)

If David and Miley sing a duet it will just magnify how nasally and inferior Miley’s vocals are compared to David’s. The Grammy’s duet between Miley and Taylor Swift showed that but not to the magnitude it would be between David and Miley.

Jack Ryan #58 – “he lent class to the show” – That’s the great thing about David – he elavates any event he is at, lending it “class”. It doesn’t matter if he is on a radio show and the dj is being “difficult”. It never fails that everyone there and everyone listening feels better about life after David has been there. He makes every song be the best that it can be and mean the most that it can. I guess it still comes down to Trust the Archuleta (and hope for the best).

chenson – Chris – yeah, a thread on the ProBowl SBB would have been enriching. It was so cool and bone chilling awesome.

I never really thought David’s music was being marketed to me or that my age group (older than dirt) was a consideration–I always thought I was the anomally. What did I miss?

Chenson #68: After doing ICarly David said that he looks forward to doing more acting. As I wrote in an earlier thread, it just may be that David is positioning himself for more acting roles. I continue to trust the Archulator no matter how opaque the looking glass.

Happy74 – can I send you a virtual brownie? I do have my virtual bar open–what’s your favorite poison?

I’m usually a lurker but have to comment. I think David’s career is being gauged by what is working for him right NOW. It’s profit his management company is most concerned with, and they want to cash in while he’s hot. I’m just not sure they know what area he’s “hottest” in, so they’re dabbling in everything. David signed on the dotted line and gave them control, so be it. Because ICarly’s ratings skyrocketed when David made his appearance on the show, every teen-centered media will try to devour him now. Except, that’s not what gives us goosebumps, is it? That’s not where/how we first felt the magic. More and more, I am craving his earlier performances, because back then, he still needed our approval and he strived for perfection and devotion. That’s the David I miss. That’s the David I am craving right now!!!!!!!

Angelica: I think David should do a duet first with his #1 fan, SilverFox. It would be epic.

Silverfox….can you sing? Are you out there? {{{{waves}}}}

davidfanliz: thanks for that. How we ooh and ahh over his every little gesture and movement

This makes me a little sad for David, because I remember several times he indicated a resistance to going the “Disney” route. One was when he first considered working with Rock Mafia and said “wait – they work with Miley Cyrus – isn’t that Radio Disney?” but then he said he was proved wrong because they had produced for a wide variety of acts.

I actually think the label did some market research and found despite their efforts in the past few months the market with most potential for him remained kids and tweens, so that’s where they are focusing. Big picture, I just want his album to go platinum. That *should* ensure more freedom for album #2.

Anyone else starting to think they may be intentionally burying ALTNOY so they can hurry up and release “Touch My Hand”?

If David wants more freedom on the next album, I’m not sure if going this route is the way to achieve it.

Sorry LittleMushroom, I did not intend that as an attack on your comment just above. I’ve actually been thinking about this issue of the second album off and on today.

I was just reading the comments section at FOD. After hearing about the Hannah Montana appearance, the conversation practically mirrors what has gone on hear the last few days. Hand ringing, worries, dislike of Miley. Simply amazing.

Kizzi#81 Now that’s a show I would pay to see!!

No worries Freo – your comment gave me pause. I never really thought about it that way…to be perfectly frank, if he is going to go Disney, I’d rather him be 100% Disney, rather than getting Jive’s pseudo-Disney treatment. Disney seems to do a better job managing squeaky-clean teens and the JoBros somehow seem to be getting credibility lately (cover of Rolling Stone?). If he were 100% Disney, perhaps then he would have the shot at doing something truly great – like performing a “Circle of Life” type song for one of their movies and singing it on the Oscars. Actually I wonder if he has some sort of deal with Disney too, considering all the promo he gets from them on Radio Disney, and now this Miley appearance…

#93 – Me too Angelica. SF would be dazzling and David would be nonpareil in that duet.

OMG. The Snarky comments are hilarious. They really do not like this Hannah/David thing. Someone there said, “Who is marketing him?”. All I could do was chuckle.

LittleMushroom, I see what you mean about the pseudo versus half Disney treatment. I just don’t understand the marketing at all right now. It has no focus and it seems to me that they shifted gears right after the Jingle Bash concerts ended. I don’t even know what the say anymore.

I looked on FOD and things got heated there as well today. We know that Richard and others in his circle read that site (and rumor has it that David does, too — he once told someone that he didn’t understand why there were “warnings” on his photos there), so word should get back to them. I suspect that some of them read this site, too. I think that’s a good thing.

kizzi 100 You want to kill her? Don’t you think her heart rate will be up enough?

Freofan #101, “he once told someone that he didn’t understand why there were “warnings” on his photos there” – ROTFLMAO!!! Thanks, I needed that!

I give up. Not on David. Never on David! I’m already committing 7-10 years with him!

No. I give up on resisting and wringing my hands with this “new direction” or whatever “multiple directions” David’s peeps are involved in. Too much wasted energy.

That said, I do find it deeply amusing that it was us over here at ND, who first raised the red flags, and now that David has mentioned doing an upcoming appearance on Hanna Montana (and a duet! yikes!), now is when the rest of the fanbase is catching up on our worries.

Well, all I have to say about HM/Miley is, if one is going to go the route of Disney/tweens, appearing on HM is one helluva coup. So, props to David! Disney does turn everything to gold.

Now, like some of you have already mentioned, I am concerned that David initially expressed resistance going the Disney route, so if he is now embracing this path, it is going to be exceedingly difficult for me to only facetiously accuse him of selling out. Not that I’ll ever say this with a straight face since, even when being facetious, I was immediately chastised for suggesting this.

So, is this a new partnership between AI and Disney – as expressed one way in the American Idol Experience attraction at the Disney theme park? I’ve recently come to suspect that this has been the path planned for David all along the moment AI’s TPTB first laid eyes on him: oh how they must have seen the dollar signs when they saw how cute and adorable he was (and he can sing!). As I said before, perhaps their thinking was: why not give Cook the crown (and some rocker cred for the show) while they lay out their lucrative plans to market David as their Disney dream boy?

In linking this back to AI, this new direction makes the most sense to me. It was just the other day that the idols made a special appearance to debut the AI Experience at Disney World. The iCarly and Build-a-Bear tie-ins seemed to be leading up to the big wide world of Hannah Montana (look how early they tried to create rumors about Miley having a crush on David – Good Lord, please don’t let them even go down the route of forcing them to date just for publicity. Six months ago, we would have all sworn up and down that David’s integrity was such that he would never get sucked into such an arrangement, but six months ago, we would never have expected David to agree to appear on Miley’s show or even to consider performing a duet with her).

The more these plans unfold, the more I’m starting to believe SF’s initial idea that David’s solo tour was Jeff and David’s plan to recover and reclaim their ideal for David to be first and foremost about the music. Maybe Jive was resistant to it, hence why Jeff was complaining to fans earlier about how they didn’t have the $$ for a band and all that, but once David proved he could sell out venues, Jive (who responds to the bottom line always) finally got on board.

Finally, is it mere coincidence this Disney tween route is being taken during the season that AI is back on TV? Watch David be invited back on the show to sing “Let’s Talk about Love,” instead of performing Crush or one of his other album songs. I so wouldn’t be surprised.

Rascal#47, I feel your pain, brother!

HG for you…

“There must be some way out of here,” said the joker to HG,

“There’s too much confusion, I can’t get no relief.

Businessmen, they drink my wine, plowmen dig my earth,

None of them along the line know what any of it is worth.”

“No reason to get excited,” the thief, he kindly spoke,
“There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke.

But you and I, we’ve been through that, and this is not our fate,
So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late.”

All along the watchtower, princes kept the view

While all the women came and went, barefoot servants, too.
Outside in the distance a wildcat did growl,

Two riders were approaching, the wind began to howl.

HG, you know David could never “sell out” right? For one thing, he has no sense of entitlement… none. Some here seem to want him to. But it’s one of his qualities I’ve always marvelled at and admired.

I hope you’re wrong but my head hurts. Need to go listen to his Voice. (SF, miss your prayer.) ‘Night all.

With all due respect for my fellow Archies:
There is a whole lot of tea leaf reading going on. If David does go the Disney route, there’s one thing certain: in a few years he is going to have millions of dollars in his bank account, and those millions in our capitalist society buys a lot of options, including artistic ones. I’ve posted in the past that I may have to wait a while before I see the flowering of the artist I expect The Voice to be. I’ll wait for that time because it is becoming increasingly clear to me that money, i.e., the lack of it, is playing a major role in David’s career choices. The current recession is obviously having an effect on the entertainment industry, and there is no reason to think that it is not affecting David’s plans.

Listen to David sing, about himself, reposted from #82 above:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z8A9WemHYk

I believe this song, recorded in 2002, may be David’s personal anthem.

#113:
Forgot to mention: David co-wrote this song at age 12.

Did David say ‘no’?

If David emerges from a full-blown Disney alliance with his artistic integrity intact and any semblence of his own individuality — and doesn’t have to do something drastically and even offensively “adult” in order to shed the childish image — he will be the first in entertainment history to do so. Not saying it’s not possible, but it has so far never happened. The Disney brand image is one of the most powerful on the planet, and getting out from under it is almost impossible. For Disney’s part, it would be a coup of unprecedented proportions. David would be far and away the most talented young artist they have ever had.

Good evening all..I was watching the NAACP awards. Jennifer Hudson just finished singing “The Impossible Dream”..I could picture David singing this beautiful song!I’m so sad right now..Is our dream for David an impossible dream now? I will be positive..I believe in David and I’m with him for the long haul.

happy…David will not disappoint in concert..He will be even better I think, than the Jingles. He will impress, excite, mesmerize at the venues he’s already S/O..My worry is the venues he hasn’t S/O yet…the non-fans who may be thinking of going to his concert, may change their minds if they see all the promos geared to little kiddies. Would any of you go if you didn’t KNOW David after seeing all this fluff? Well, maybe you would take your tween daughters & granddaughters.

Lovely poem, Happy! So whom I exactly? The thief, the joker, the prince along the watchtower, or one of the “come and go” women?

TOfan#111, I agree David has no sense of entitlement. And oh so humble and sincere. So what the heck is he doing making plans to be on HM?!

Rascal, I agree Disney benefits. As to how David will try to drastically alter his image, when he eventually grows up and the Disney mold no longer fits, I predict a Justin Timberlake refashioning.

Rascal: I almost shut down before catching your remark. Glad I caught it before I leave the site. I agree with you totally. You realize as I do that David will have major life choices to make in the not too distant future, and some of those choices may not be agreeable to his fans. I’m of the mind that fans who truly love David for his amazing gift will stick with him no matter what, through the thick and the thin. If he possesses that inner strength, those inner values that we have earlier talked about on your site, then we shouldn’t fear for him. He is guided by an inner light

Ciao, redux.

#101
Quote: he once told someone that he didn’t understand why there were “warnings” on his photos there)

PRICELESS!

Abrra

#128 hello gorgeous – LOL! the line forms to the left, to the left….

HG128- did you know that Ashton Kutcher was 27 when he married a 42 year old Demi Moore? … just sayin’………

Happy, you have just restored my hopes and dreams with that current example!

FG, as long as I’m first in the line!

G’nite SF! I’m starting to get tired myself after a long day, and now that my dreams are restored, I should go to bed on a positive note.

G’nite everyone!

HG & RML — Don’t misunderstand me, I am most definitely not in favor of a Disney alliance. I think David would have an extremely difficult time subsequently establishing an independent reputation. Then, of course, maybe he could just stay there. Mature within the meta-brand. Disney has proven itself to be surprisingly resourceful and sophisticated at certain points in it’s history, I do not rule out entirely the outside possibility of a unique and truly fruitful alliance. But that’s just as idealistic as thinking David can get to Carnagie Hall without capitulating to the industry and playing their nefarious games for a while.

SB- #122 – On the contrary, the image of David with the guitar shades was for me a symbol of his showmanship, his humor, and his ability to laugh at himself. All very appealing qualities. Also, it was selected at a time when there were a number of rather serious and solemn posts about David’s ability to connect with people through his music in profoundly spiritual ways (sort of like what I expect we’ll see in appearances like those on Hannah Montana…ahem…), and I felt that the rather court jester-ish style of the photo offered a nice balance to that seriousness. Oh, how times have changed…

Funnygirl — I call it as I see it and I write about what captures my interest. It is no more complicated than that. As for being on Team David — ha. I am absolutely certain that I am persona non-grata on Team David.

You know, as happy-go-lucky and adorably goofy as David is, he probably could do Disney and stay true to himself. Not that he isn’t deep, and a gifted, serious artist too, but there is that other guy who is so Disney at heart. The one we all fell in love with, the one that laughs at us when we succumb to the seduction of the man he becomes onstage. I could see him in his twenties and thirties and even forties, married and with children, still as humble and joyful as a child. Still only completely mature when he walks onstage and starts to sing. You know, in those guitar glasses on Rascal’s avi, he does sort of look like Walt.

Please, oh powers that be……not Miley Cyrus. She cannot even carry a tune, That would be like a fine wine with Taco Bell, catsup on fillet mignon, wearing a Vera Wang to clean the garage. My daugher loves HM. Yes she is high energy and cool but, please.

I will love and support David- but there are actually some kids at Disney with decent voices, if that is the direction, he is going,,, I imagine I would be mesmurized if David sang with a lamp post ( is that an option instead of HM?)

On another note- I looked up the history of Alicia Keys,,,
She did appear on Seseme Street and the Backyardagains not that long ago….

So many of us have declared “Unconditional Love” for David. What exactly did we mean? What does unconditional love look like, sound like and feel like? Is our unconditional love for David being tested right now?

Can somebody tell me please?

realmusiclover 90 – “Who says he can’t sing in the movies?”

I think movies leaves it too broad of a swipe.. it has to be classy movies… Not many internationally known Artists do Concert/Big Screen very successfully.

HG 132 – If David goes from Disney to Donny Osmond …

that’s already on the menu I’m sure, David appeared with them for their Christmas concert this year. He’s friends with the Osmonds, for obvious reasons…lots in common. My avi is actually about that appearance.

RealMusicLover …millions… is what I believe is the furthest thing from David’s mind…AND Jeff’s.. I don’t believe his success is measured monetarily by either of them.

David got where he IS… through the support and love by Jeff and Lupe… they make so many sacrifices to let him reach for that Golden Ring.. (and God love them for it.. they have 4 other children that also have dreams)…. but I’m sure Millions.. is never what they had in mind.

David broke down into tears when he went home in the final rounds of AI .. he said … “This makes it all worth it”… all his hard work…recognized… is what touched his heart.. David has a message.. and for that magnitude of a message…he’ll need a lot of people listening… THAT is what will measure his success… IMVHO…of course.

Good morning everyone.

I’m going to be away for about a week. I was going to be out of the country anyway, but the passing of my great-aunt necessitates that I make a change of plans. I’ll still be overseas but I’ll be attending a funeral.

Not sure when or if I’ll have a chance to take a glimpse in here.

Just wanted to let you know if I’m not posting regularly or at all.

Have a good day, everyone!

rascal, one of your very beautiful posts I saved on my laptop and has become a touchstone for me to keep my focus at times when I question myself on this David fan journey:

“One of the wisest and most compassionate things David has ever said is that his fans are as much a part of this journey as he is. Let’s make certain that we provide enough pillows and blankets and cheers and sighs and just plain friendship. And love………..For The Voice.”

….I’d like to add that I will always provide pillows, blankets, cheers, sighs, friendship and love to all of my friends and acquaintances and, also, the shy lurkers at ND.

Thanks, Bluebarsa.

HG- Condolences to you and your loved ones. Will be praying for you.

Thanks for saving this Rascal quote, Kizzi……..

“Let’s make certain that we provide enough pillows and blankets and cheers and sighs and just plain friendship. And love”

I guess that’s the committee I signed up for.

Kizzi, thanks for your positive perspective. It’s a breath of fresh air in a recent fog of negativity.

I understand that David’s contract probably reads, “We can do anything we want with you, about you, to you, and every other preposition that is now known or that will ever be known, in perpetuity, so help us industry gods. Sign below or go back to building your career on My Space.”

But what I would love to know is how in this industry does David get to a point where he can pay the bills? It’s not iTune sales we’ve been told. Is it just endorsements and concerts? If so, why are the concerts so cheap? You think he couldn’t have sold out those concerts at twice the price? Does radio play get him any money or just a Grammy? Really, does someone understand all of this?

It can’t be that he has to get endorsements and radio play in order to get endorsements and radio play. Oh, it can? Like you must have experience to get a job and a job to get experience.

Maybe Wrigley’s has an opening?!

Kizzi 149–Thank you for that post. I smiled because I had gone back and read that very post just before gong to bed last night. I have been lurking I am one of the shy ones. I had reacted dramatically when I first saw the lunch boxes (i thought they were real!)and than stood back as the storm came-Guess I went for shelter!

I was back and forth on the fence with many of the points that had emerged. Until last night I had this sense of peace for our David–as realmusiclover had pointed out he is “guided by an inner light”

He is on a journey he will get where he is going. None of us are sure where that is…. but he has many of us of all ages along for the ride. He is like a Pied Piper.

I am looking forward to Sayerville and meeting other fans. May have to stay by the exit though.. cos if he breaks into the Barney song I have to step out for a bit.
Kidding–I am just Kidding!

HG–Sad for your loss. Take care

Better quality!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prg-mUMfsAw

HG, I extend my condolences to you and I wish you the best in your travels. Selfishly, I hope you can still find some time to post.

Brooklyndawn, I’m SO happy to see you back.

Kizzi, I enjoy all your posts. Esp. the one on opinion vs. judgment.

Realmusiclover, David’s also guided by an outer light.
See here: http://twitpic.com/1gjqb

Good morning….

Considering all of the discussions on this and other fan sites over the last few days my humble feeling is that WE, the fans, have finally grasped a concept that has been foreign to many before.

David (I love you man) is not the chosen one, nor is he blessed with other world powers. He is a “working” singer struggling to get ahead in a very cut throat, insensitive business. For the few moments of bliss (his and ours) when he has the opportunity to sing to us there are hours and hours of toiling work, both mental and physical that he must endure.

This won’t be an easy ride for David, sometimes harder for him because of his inner make-up than it would be for someone who learned cynisism at an earlier age. We now know that it won’t be an easy ride for any of us. And, like we have learned the past few days, talking about and dissecting and analyzing are good things….they help us grasp the realities and understand the conflicts that David must go through daily.

I absolutely do not agree with choices being made by David and his peeps the last few days but they are NOT MY CHOICES to make so I will continue to write out my feelings so that they don’t eat me alive and I will continue to love MY DAVID.

Been looking up pictures from the Idol thing-a-ma-jingy at Disney last night. Even though David didn’t perform the cameras were all over him. He is a camera magnet….not a bad picture in the bunch, except the group picture where he is so short that he disappears behind Mandisa.

Peace and Luv, All

rascal156 – I see the change too and I feel the uncertainty. Personally, if I could control the outcome, I’d set up a philanthropic foundation, raise $$, and fund David’s career….that is, if he wanted what I want…….I assume he does…… and then things happen that make me think otherwise…..and that is the hardest thing of all to adjust to….and I don’t have any primary source information, just hearsay and snippets of interviews which are really soundbites, not in depth dialogue.

Regarding the child fan base marketing strategy and all the concerns you have highlighted, I haven’t minimized them at all, I believe what you say and in your expertise. I wait to see what the Miley/Disney connection entails beyond one episode…it is moment to moment for me and to adjust as I can.

You are, to me, the greatest fan of David’s artistry. I don’t expect hearts and flowers all the time; I need the 360. Thus why I am here!

Great comment, Tess! It was a hard last few days. Even 27/7 gushing sites were having the same debates, I noticed yesterday. I think we are seeing the reality of the situation, it’s about $.

#160, In fairness Rascal, iCarly was planned wayyyy before the album was released (October I think was when it was announced) and Build a Bear was announced at some time in December. These latest developments arent decisions that have been made in 2009.

Thanks mommyzboys, for that re-post. For a moment I wasn’t sure who wrote those lovely words. So then allow me the discretion to place contemporary emphasis on my own history… HIS choices.

And those of us who have invested “their emotional lives and vulnerabilities” in David are extra sensitive to the choices that he makes.

Rascal– Thank you for this site. Your posting buddies are very insightful and always help to keep this lurker in the loop.
Now that reality has set in for us sensitive ones and all points about talent, money,choices, inner lights, rough rides, and such have been made.. we are commited to love him no matter what.
If he can make a mint like Miley theres no telling what he can do next! I am okay with him going on HM, but do we still have to look at her on his site about his artistry.
Are you feeling better now Rascal? Can we have a picture of the camera magnet now without the puppy dogs?

I wish to see a really HAWT picture of David on this page. Maybe that would motivate me do do something other than sit here dumfounded!?

Maybe this one could be the photo you are craving, archangel. With the wildeyed ones cropped out, of course!
Very nice jeans.

Ahem…really nice jeans…I bow and thank-you Betsy! Good morning mommuzboys!

Rascal: “David onstage, no matter what the context, is now, evidently, the only place where we are likely to see what he is really all about. The fact that his handlers seem unable or unwilling to translate that into a market position, a unique and original brand, is a disappointment we’re all trying to process.”

You spoke my heart.

Archangel – you are welcome.
Although all thanks go to David and his god-given natural gifts!
I think I will go look at it just one more time.
And I don’t feel like a creeper anymore. Just enjoying the “David”!

That photo could be a thread all by itself.

Rascal: “David onstage, no matter what the context, is now, evidently, the only place where we are likely to see what he is really all about” <– what all my hopes and dreams are attached to now…

Nicely put… there’s a downside…but that sentiment alone…is the upside… unless he really throws us into left field ….think about this… most of his venues…up and coming…are small ..intimate… on a school night…at establishments that serve liquor… clearly…not aimed at the same demographic as of late.

Mkay. I don’t think I’m going to complain anymore. They’re targeting him towards a TWEEN audience. There’s no denying that anymore. Hannah Montana and ICarly are not teen or young adult shows- they are targeted towards children. It makes a lot of sense, actually. And there’s two reasons for that.

1. Money. The tween market is very lucritive- Miley and the Jonas Brothers each made roughly 10 million dollars last year. Case closed.

2. They don’t trust US, teenagers or young adults, to take him seriously. They think that we’re so closed minded, that due to the fact David is very cookie cutter, and appears to be… a young 18, we wouldn’t even give him a chance. In essence, they don’t think he’s cool enough for teens. Basically, according to Jive, David doesn’t have enough edge for anyone over the age of 12.

Now- here’s why this pisses me off. TWEENS listen to TEEN music- they listen to Beyonce, Taylor Swift, Chris Borwn, and Rihanna. TWEENS will accept anything that they like. It doesn’t matter if it’s marketed towards them or not- they will like what they like. David does NOT have to be directed at tweens to tap into the tween audience.

Now… teens and young adults… a totally different story. We all (generally) follow the fad. Top 40 radio is directed at the “hipsters” roughly 15-27 year olds. That demographic controls what is played on mainstream radio. Anything outside the fad is OUT. Hannah Montana (Radio Disney) is lame. Josh Groban (Adult Contemporary) is boring. To be “hip”, you MUST appeal to that demographic. Not 12 year olds.

BTW: Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Beyonce, Usher, Justin Timberlake- they were NEVER marketed towards tweens- they were marketed toward TEENS- that is why they were able to sustain their careers. Wanna know who was marketed towards tweens? Hanson. And where are they now? And do you really think the Jonas brothers will be here in 10 years? I doubt it.

This is going to take away any sort of artistic credit David ever had. Tween artists don’t win grammys- ever. They win Kid’s Choice Awards. That’s what David’s management had chosen- Kid’s Vhoice Awards over grammys. For the $$$.

Bravo! THIS is the notingdavid I recognize from my longtime lurking. The criticism here is delivered with characteristic thoughtfulness and class. The last sentence in great food for thought– about more that just the music industry. So if he’s taking the road “more traveled” into this part of his career, maybe the originality will have to come on finding the way OUT of this stage. After all, if he stays true to his values, he’ll have to extricate himself in a different way than the Brittney’s and Justin’s.

Rascal, I know I’m not a longtimer here, but can I ask you if you think there are any truly visionary people in the music industry (on the marketing end at least)? I mean, are there people who are seriously passionate about music or are they all in it just for the money alone? I guess no one can really answer that, but maybe you could take a stab?

TOfan — There is only one problem with that analogy: Curve balls shouldn’t come from your own team.

Isabella in #182 expresses very understandable sentiments that are emblematic of my biggest fears in the matter of David’s apparent marketing strategy. There is a small but critical segment of David’s peer group and slightly older who “get” him, see his potential, and are in a position to be key influencers in that crucial, opinion-maker market. They are the potential evangelizers in the vital effort to establish credibility for David in those markets. But the degree of “public disclosure” these key influencers are willing to engage in is directly proportional to the character of the “David brand” that gets established through promotional efforts. Evangelizing David is risky enough in the highly peer-driven world of the older teen and twentysomethings; promotions that associate him with children and younger teens will effectively shut down any potential influencing by older converts, for fear of peer dismissal. David fans in the key opinion-maker demographics will become even more closeted than they already are, and slow the adoption of David’s credibility to a stand-still, or worse.

In the spirit of the days when my “kids” and I would all watch Disney together…my avatar is my beautiful “grown” children! I love them so! They love David too!

Tofan–That is a good curve–I like it

Isabella-One of my joys in my “hobby’ following David. (SF had helped me to clarify my ODD as a hobby–wise woman that she is!) is recognizing his growth since AI–I used to cringe and my heart would race as I watched him so shy up there. I actually had some of the same thoughts as you did, and considered for about 30 seconds that I should let a couple of years pass and check back in–Not a chance. I am staying in. I love watching him grow more comfortable in interviews and I think he is still finding his own way. Sometimes I do feel a little silly being so loyal to a teenager as if he were family but i usaully get over that quick too!
He has some maturing to do yes and as Tess had pointed out earlier this is not easy at all for him–His strength of character is very evident–I will never forget that Long and Winding Road performance after his big oofaa. He is a spirit rising.
As far as the tween path–It is what it is. The journey is the journey and I may be naive but I think he will be just fine and emerge as quite the star.
Mommuzboys–Yes Monday looking forward to it!
I gotta go to work now–ODD must be controled!
Rascal–New picture to lighten us up?

Dang..I forgot..Jeff is a member of David’s mgmt team.
My bad!!

What exactly is the primary function of a management company like AZOFF, who has dozens of big names under their umbrella?

Anybody know?

momtob..Very glad you & your boys will be going to a concert..I don’t care if your boys are pre-teens, teens, or older..doesn’t matter..as long as we support David.

And no, David doesn’t have to limit himself…but, you see, that’s what I’m worried about..that he will limit himself to whatever is decided for him. And that has me upset, and I make no apologies for it.

momtobsc2008
Not “everyone” is upset! I am not. I didn’t care for the BAB song. But it didn’t upset me. I figure if he made me happy a million times with his singing and there was only one misstep, the percentages are with him. No one can change my mind about that. If I never heard another peep from him I would be sick about it. But I would know that there was a person in this world that touched me like no other. And it was all worth it.
He is such a beautiful soul. And in my dark times, I can be lifted in an instant listening to him.
I don’t believe that someone who can do that is going away, ever.

Rascal, “There is only one problem with that analogy: Curve balls shouldn’t come from your own team” — but that’s the thing about life’s curve balls… you never know where they’re going to come from.

samsfan, liked your post. You’re right, being a David fan has been joyous but far from easy. We’ve had to endure the machinations of A.I., sit through some tough-to-listen to “singers” on the tour, and now, suffer through kiddie fare to show our support.

Guess this is the price we pay for caring so much. And care we do, I’m glad we can all agree on that!

I’ve never for an instant thought about “going away for a while”. Not because I’m so noble or anything like that. But I think David needs us. If we abandon him to the tweens, then that is all he has. Do I think we can influence his career? Probably not, but perhaps just knowing we will be there when he can break out of the mold will be encouragement at some point to do it.

If Jeff or anyone else from the team reads this stuff, then we should keep OUR voice strong so that David remembers that what we love about him is the depth of persona we were able to glimpse at points all along the journey.

We can’t bail on him.. Rascal and ND keep it real…and everyone needs a dose of reality from time to time

Is anyone else from ND attending Williamsville ?

Hi Kizzi..
You know, I never most of the reviews good or not good, David’s album. I don’t put much stock in reviews. I like to make up my own mind..

Poor Britney..the things she did to shed the Disney connection are still haunting her to this day..but dang if she doesn’t have another HUGE album & her music is played at least 24 times a day in every radio station world wide..I HAVE to listen to her in case they play Crush or ALTNOY No voice to speak of, but she’s raking in millions..what’s wrong with this picture?

On the other hand…If David REALLY does go the Disney route, he may very well be the BIGGEST Disney POPSTAR ever..he will make millions for sure. And since he’ll always have a wholesome persona, he would never HAVE to leave Disney. But will he be satisfied, will he be happy? Just like he seems to be right now? And for how long? Especially since he’s not about $$?

BTW..The endorsement for BAB..if the charity had not been part of the endorsement agreement..I do not think he would even have contemplated that particular endorsement. The CHARITY is what sealed the deal, IMO.

I meant..I NEVER READ most of the reviews on David’s album.

Everyone who’s going to one of David The Voice LIVE!
concerts is gonna leave the concert completely puzzled..you’re gonna think David must have a twin who’s doing the iCarly, HM, BAB, and photoshoots with stuffed animals..cuz that David was not the David you just saw on stage!!

An enigma for sure..I know he’s had me scratching my head these last several days…

Not to BEAT a DEAD Horse….but everytime I see a picture with Daddy Dearest (as kind and as thoughtful as he may be) I GAG! FOD is literally filled with them….if you can’t get a fan picture with David then hit up the old man.

Who in the industry can take David seriously when he has a baby sitter! Jeff really needs to get a clue. Hire someone (I know Silverfox and I would be perfect for the job) to be his companion and keep him on the straight and narrow. Jeff needs to find an office somewhere and only communicate with David via phone and email.

Having said this…some lurker will post this on a hate site and TMZ will run with it again. But, I don’t care. David and Jeff just have to get a clue that this is really hurting David in the image department. For those of you who disagree please let me know what the positives are of having Jeff draped around David’s neck?

SF- I hope you are right. David’s true talent shines in his live performances. I have tickets to the Pomona concert. Will the concert be geared toward the teens and pre-teens? We shall see.

Rascal….

Silly, isn’t it. I am typing (old school term) with tears in my eyes. Several days ago I was adament about “let it be, it will be OK, David will be alright” and now I ache all over. Damn Miley Cyrus and Hannah Montana to hell!

I so want to be positive, again. And I have to wait for a month to see David perform…

So…ASSIGNMENT! Please cheer me Up, you great NDers out there.

SF-I truly feel your pain. Let’s hope for the best.

You will come out of it Tess…you snapped ME out of it.

Try this… Miley (wish I had talent) Cyrus …riding on her dad’s coat tails… has done a horrible amount of damage to her Disney image.

David doesn’t need Disney…Disney NEEDS David…to add some morals back into the likes of Britney and Miley…

Nothing about Miley will tarnish who David is… but i also don’t believe it will redeem her either.

David is the future… Miley is almost washed up.

Tess219

” please let me know what the positives are of having Jeff draped around David’s neck?”

Uh…wait…nothing’s coming. Ohh, you asked for the opinion of those who DISAGREE with you. That lets me out. I’m all for Jeff being on his team and being there for support and looking out for his interest but I think all that is best done incognito and behind the scenes. It doesn’t help the spin that David is just a child to have his dad always so near. I have great respect for the man who raised a son like David, but when I saw him at an autogragh signing, I did not attempt to talk with him. I was there for David, period. People who fangirl and take pictures of Jeff are bestowing a celebrity status on him which he may be loathe to give up.

People have accused me of not conforming to the wisdom of “not saying anything at all if you have nothing nice to say.” I just want to point out that on certain topics I have followed this line consistently and for a very long time.

Rascal, I think we are all past the point of keeping our mouths shut when we can’t say something nice. LOL! You’ve done better than most of us, although when you speak, it has a much greater impact that most of us, too.

And in truth, these latest developments just suck.

Rascal, maybe your next thread can be something like

Where in the World is David Archuleta

with a picture of him hunkering down on stage or archustrutting or whatever……

Oh Tess, don’t bring up boy toy stories. I’ll have to start another blog.

Rascal #237 ROFLMAO!

I’m sorry..but, but, I’m shaking thinkin’ bout boy-toys..
you know..memories??

Anyway, who or what is “Mcfly”? The only Mcfly I know is the one from “Back to the future” which is where I wish I could go..

Newbie here…. what is ROFLMAO?

and who is McFly?

If someone out there has loads of money and is planning on going to England to see this tour…and would like to hire a companion (compensation limited to airfare, hotels, transportation, food, and tickets) please give me a call. I really am funny, charming, extroverted, have a perfect sense of direction, actually know what to order to eat in England (lived there for a summer) love traveling, and don’t snore!

ROFLMAO- rolling on floor laughing my a** off. Yeah, and I always spell it wrong. Hah, hah go figure.

TAlso, as I am currently not employed I would hereby like to officially apply for Wardrobe Meister- which if you will kindly peruse my resume includes years, and I mean years of dressing the importante people in my life, my husband and my son. References are available from those fortunate enough to have seen same.

Ok,:::::sigh:::::: I going to find pillows, blankets and go crawl under a cozy rock that serves an upscale Oregon winery pinot noir because it will definitely be a more upbeat place to visit especially with adult beverages too …soon we will have some results in…..and I promise I will say the worriers were right, if need be….. and eat crow pie if necessary……but I am betting a 7 day Caribbean cruise for 2 that won’t happen…….any takers?

Dawn65, thanks very much for the offer. We have our flights booked already but will likely be mulling over plans on the weekend.

Woohoo, Chenson, please fill us in on McFly… in the Snarkies vid, they look a little JoBro-ish but sound 100 x better (I know, not difficult ) … (I had my fingers crossed for David to open for Natasha in the U.K., oh well…).

I checked out their website and was reading the comments…. makes me very happy

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=28129529&blogID=470484980

More from Snarkies:

“McFly are a British pop rock/pop punk band who first found fame in 2004. The band, formed in London, was founded by Tom Fletcher (lead vocals/guitar/piano) and also consists of Danny Jones (lead vocals/guitar), Dougie Poynter (vocals/bass guitar) and Harry Judd (drums). They are managed by Prestige Management, and were signed to the Island Records label from their launch (2004) until December 2007, before creating their own label, Super Records.

McFly’s debut album, Room on the 3rd Floor, debuted at #1 in the UK album chart and is certified as double platinum. McFly are also the youngest band ever to have an album debut at #1. A month after the album was released, the band had their first UK headlining tour. The band’s second album, Wonderland, also charted at #1 in the UK, and was released in 2005. Their third album, Motion in the Ocean, was released on 6 November 2006 and charted at #6 in the UK. McFly released their All the Greatest Hits compilation album on 5 November 2007, which charted at #4 in the UK. The band’s fourth studio album, Radio:Active, was given away for free as a supplement in The Mail on Sunday on 20 July 2008. The deluxe version of Radio:Active featuring a bonus 2 hour DVD was released on 22 September 2008 and charted at #8 in the UK Albums Chart.

McFly appeared in the teen comedy film Just My Luck, starring Lindsay Lohan and Chris Pine, in 2006. The band played themselves in the film and released a US album, “Just My Luck”, which was also used”

Off Topic…kind of… but have I mentioned how much I love the studio version of We Can Work It Out ????

It’s playing on my Zune now…and geez… everytime I hear it.. it’s like hearing it for the first time.. never heard a voice so smooth and rich in my life.

okay.. back to work

Kizzi…Very promising!

The UK Tour is a definite, right? Not just a rumor?

But now..I’m not so sure I want David to leave the country..what if they won’t let him come back???
He should just stay here and tour all the time…WE would never tire of seeing David LIVE!

Tofan #253

These don’t look like the tweeners the JoBros attrack…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8wcYrqIzhg&eurl=http://www.snarkyarchies.com/

I don’t know if it’s my imagination or not, but it seems as though there have been many more comments at ND than there used to be, so much so that I struggle to keep up everyday and by the time I’m done reading, I either have little energy left to post or it’s so late at night and everyone’s has gone to bed. Possibly since talk of a private David concert came up, many people have been coming out from lurking to be sure they don’t miss out on the private concert. I totally could not blame them, and it’s great to hear so many different voices.

It sure has been an intense last few days with comments expressing various view points peppered with some pretty strong language. So much hand wringing and angst. I don’t want to repeat what others have already said, but what we feel and think all stems from a deep love that we have for David and his artistry and that always makes me happy.

Kizzi and brooklyndawn, and some others expressed a lot of what was on my mind so I chose to stay mute mostly. In the absence of hard, concrete facts, speculating is all we could do. It is interesting to talk about David’s future based on whatever strategy that may or may not be in place. Not knowing much about the music industry, I have little to contribute other than my gut feeling or intuition.

Rascal certainly understands branding, music, and the industry better than most of us and I appreciate his fierce determination to speak up as he sees fit, and his wish to help steer the strategic course for a successful career for our beloved David (you were, weren’t you? hence the lunchbox/thermos, even the video though there was no commentary?)

The way I look at it is, based on the fact that repeatedly experts in certain fields such as the economy often times disagree completely on what’s good to do and what’s not, and predict and speculate vastly different outcomes, I am going to choose to err on the side of naiveté and be hopeful where David’s future is concerned. One good reason for doing so is that David is an enigma and an original which would make prediction a bit more difficult. He is an amazing talent and human being and that’s where I will put all my trust in if I were a betting woman.

I will watch every millisecond of David on TV or videos wherever he appears but that’s because I am obsessive. Leaving him for any reason is not an option. I am a fan of his Voice, his heart, soul and spirit, and ahh… that face, so sweet. I won’t mention arms, th… not me.

My local radio station was at Disney. The did a nice interview with Brooke and David. He comes in at about the half way point. (He puts on mouse ears for a second. )He just looks so happy and talks about how much he liked visiting ProFM. I squee a bit because I got to meet him that day by sheer happenstance. He is a beautiful soul.

Abrra

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