Rascal – O.K. I think we all get your point!

Honestly, stenocruiser? The song makes me gag. But the video makes me laugh.

Gee…

David would fit right into the Hollywood scene considering that one of the most lucrative acting jobs is for voice overs for animated movies. I understand that Actors fight over getting one of these gigs! Hopefully David will get his fair share….thanks Rascal, this will be a great audition tape.

It’s hard for me to figure out how Rascal REALLY feels?! I guess I am just thankful we can all agree to disagree. As for the song?…It’s David…………

Rascal, you crack me up. LOL! Okay, the song is really pathetic. I think I could stand it if he had 50 mega-stars singing in chorus like Michael Jackson did with that pathetic little song that made millions for charity (what was the name of it?)

I was going to stop (remember that post?) but I have to say again that if David wants opportunities to do song and gigs like the people who have influenced him, this kind of thing will not be getting him those.

I had a moment of absolute panic today when I was at a client site and they wanted to do a software demo thingy on March 3rd and 4th (Nooooooo!!!! That’s David’s concert at infinity). By I was cool and said, “I’m sorry, but I will be out of town those days. What about….”

So, much as I am frustrated by this marketing approach, I will, of course, continue to love and adore David. But my fear is that we will be the lone souls that show up to see him over the next few years because the people being marketed to have to go to bed before the concert even starts.

LOL .. this should be funnier than it is…

Yes, SF, I always love “The Voice,” even if it is singing the most inane words, with boring melodies and poor arrangements. David might be one of the very few who could possibly “pull it off.”

As bad as it is, I don’t think it’s that much worse then the horrible AI coronation songs that we’ve heard – “Magic Rainbow” anyone?

Gee, can someone make RASCAL a tees shirt with the Disney Characters on it and the phrase, EVERBODY HAS a SMILE?

Maybe (just maybe) he’d turn his thoughts toward JIVE marketing a little more positive ….

Pretty please SOMEONE — PLEASE!! (THIS IS AN URGENT REQUEST) RASCALS POSTINGS SINCE FEB. 3RD HAVE ALL BEEN ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE PREVIOUS ONES!

silverfox, you ARE a fox! What ever made me think I could get anything by you?!?

Okay, I am a “sschummuccckk”. That bear kissed me and I have a smile and a lot, lot of patience.

David, I love you! Ha, Ha, I had to throw that in there in case David’s peeps saw this vid and were fishing the comments for “winds blowing” in either direction.

speaking of the arrangement, happy, the very first thing I noticed is that the darn thing sounds like it was produced on a Casio keyboard — with special One-Button Auto-Rhythm!

Tour… we need the tour…. and we need it now!

I want grown-up, hunker-down David. I want soulful, melt-me-down David. I want the Voice + a cool band.

And I want it now!

marlie7 — Did you HAVE to tell me that? I was just beginning to be able to take this all in stride…

David is singing this song for CHARITY. I don’t understand this sinister desire to mock something that David did for a good cause. If anything, this makes me PROUD to be a fan of his. Aside for his outstanding voice, he has an outstanding inner desire to do good. If using his talents to help kids doesn’t make every fan (and even non-fan) feel proud, then perhaps those people need to re-evaluate their priorities. David has something special, and he puts his heart, soul, and voice into singing this song. Sure, it’s a cheesefest, but it’s cheese for a darn good cause, so throw on a litte extra mozzarella and another sprinkling of cheddar and I’m still good to go.

And another one!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNSEixoGSoY

rascal…you’re laggin’ behind!

I was doing some thinking last night and I remembered a short conversation I had with Jeff when I was at Bridgeport about the album. He said to me that both David and Jive wanted the album to be young, to appeal to young people and to be fresh. You see, on American Idol the pushed him into the old, the boring, the ‘Longer’s and the ‘Long and Winding Road’s. He wasnt singing songs of his age. Simon Cowell said it, detractors said it, heck even Archie fans said it. Jive are trying to make him young again. Thats what David wanted and honestly, that is, for now, how it should be. Everyone moaned about him being too old and boring on American Idol, now it seems people are whining about him being too young!

I think the issue here is he doest fit into your world or how you view him or want him to be viewed by others (peers). David has gone beyond singing other peoples songs and has moved into a world of music where it doesnt fit in with yours. Hes a teen artist with teen fans who makes pop music, not really something an adult would be into. I dont think 30 something year old marketing executives were in mind really. Thats not to say we cant enjoy it, but whining about the fact is not marketed at them is stupid.

I think it would be catastrophic aiming him at a higher audience. Hes too young for the pseudo Josh Groban classical pop style or the witty and smoth Michael Buble or deep and serious Eva Cassidy. Hes just not there yet, the talent is there but the image and the music would be at a total disconnect. The vast people that didnt get him on AI STILL wouldnt get him (my guess is for his age) and the younger fans would end up being isolated as it wouldnt fit in with them either. Ultimately, we would be back to AI all over again but I get the feeling thats what some people want.

I think youve just gotta get over the fact hes young and wants to be young and it doesnt fit in with your vision of him (yet). I accept that David doesnt really fit into my world, my friends will probably never like him and would laugh hysterically if they found out I did and he stands out like a sore thumb in terms of genre on my iTunes list. Its not far off the equvilent of a metalhead listening to Celine Dion and whining about how shes not wearing leather jackets and chains and making appearances on Jackass (a slightly absurd comparison but the point stands nonetheless). Hes just not aimed at me but I live in the hope/knowledge that one day he will be, but right now, its just not the right time, its just not him. David is who he is right now and we just have to accept that. His adult time will come.

The songs cheesy as hell but who cares, its for charity and its fun. My nose isnt so high that I cant enoy stuff like this.

Happy (#31), this is for BUILD A BEAR…of course it’s going to be cheesy! It’s something kids can relate to and enjoy (as well as many adults). Why must everything David sings be sophisticated with complex structures and melodies? It’s not as if this is his next radio single, it’s an isolated event for charity. This song suites the cause and the product (teddy bears for crying out loud). I don’t get the negativity surrounding something that is supposed to be so positive.

Everyone keeps saying it’s for CHARITY..but it seems to me that it’s PRIMARILY for selling BAB merchandise..cuz I can’t find BAB listed on Save the Children Website. Now if BAB was donating a portion of there sales and not just donations of $1, I would agree it’s for Charity.

Please tell me I’m wrong..

galaxystar2, I totally agree!

Even the most pampered gourmet should be able to enjoy a simple cheeseburger from time to time. Because it’s good for the soul (if not exactly good for the coronary arteries LOL).

Well what is your vision for David then?

chenson: I am quite sure no one here wants David to be another Josh Groban or Michael Buble. Not the point at all. And marketing him to his age group would be great! He’s 18 not 12. His CD was aimed at the youthful pop fan. There are awesome songs on that CD.

But what happened since then? After the Jingle’s (I think Freo pointed this out) things have changed drastically. Suddenly the image is all over the map.

And I know that my impression of where David wants to go is from David’s mouth, not my imagination or my wishful thinking. David talks of Jason Mraz and John Mayer and their ilk – we didn’t foist those images upon him. So if what he says is true, and I believe it is, something is happening in the marketing plan that will take him away from the very path he says he wants to be on.

You know, I just have to add one more thing:

What manager / producer / agent / or label who wants to get a young guy some traction and legitimacy in the American music market hears an idea like, “yeah, it’s a special song aimed at children and plays inside a stuffed teddy bear” and thinks, “Oh, heck, yeah, that’s a terrific idea”….?? I ask you!?!

#43 Two National Anthems (alas, no one sings them like he does) and a performance at a small event. I am thrilled that his tour is coming up. I’m hoping that will help balance all of this out. But I will use the example I did the other night. If John Mayer’s “people” are looking for an opening act, would they pick David Archuleta right now, given his tween market focus? Not likely. David might miss the opportunity to do something that would thrill him to his very soul. And that would be a shame.

#46 Yet Stevie Wonders peeps asked the JoBros to perform with him and have you seen how they’re market? Why?

oh my rascal- you Rascal- Are you sure you are not a lawyer? Because you sure know how to make a point.

I burst out laughing when I saw your care bear video
ok- to quote that famous judge on that show…..( you know the one) ….can you say theme park song?

I think if this had come on the heals of the other stuff, it may not have been such a thing- but well- timing and all.

But I will listen to David’s voice singing even this cruise ship song and love his voice. ( but yearn for more) And I cannot criticize something, done with good intentions for children.

#46 that tween market focus there is because a very large proportion of Davids fans are tweens.

#45 I would love to hear what you think they could do better. It would make for a very interesting read.

RASCAL! ROTFL!!!!!

So nice to see we’re all finding laughter amidst the tragedy, finding the silver lining, or the light at the end of the tunnel what have you, crying TEARS of embarrassment and joy.

Rascal #4, sometimes when I’m eating, laughing makes me gag.

Okay, completely OT – but Melinda Doolittle performed on Ellen just now, and she ROCKED it! Just thought summa yall might be interested in seeing it, since she along with David belongs to the Society of the Robbed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HFfEBw8feo&fmt=18

Oh I am laughing so hard at the idea of me rapping your knuckles, Rascal. (Oh but that makes me sound so old, too. hmmm, not liking that part). I don’t mean to sound supercilious and since I have been coming here since I went on a hunt to find you after you disappeared from (Rickeys?) way back when and read here multiple times every day, I know full well all the interesting, insightful and thoughtful discussions that go on. My problem is that sometimes after points are made loud and clear (and most I agree with, not that it matters), it seems that people forget that David is at the core of all things discussed and for me, sometimes things cross over into the ridicule mode even if not intended. Usually, since I am not that articulate, I just read on but sometimes I just have to jump in. I can’t help it if I over-react, I like constructive discussions with no blinders but sometimes when it goes on and on it just takes the joy out of the adventure of David. David himself is impacted by all our words. Regardless of whether he has management, he still makes choices, good or bad or even him being indifferent is a choice. I simply want David to enjoy every minute of this adventure and to be able to hear his voice.

#52 “that tween market focus there is because a very large proportion of Davids fans are tweens.”

That’s good – that means they acquired them while David was singing ballads for old people like me and from the release of his pop CD. They didn’t need iCarly or Build a Bear to get them.

So now, they should be focusing on people David’s own age or slight older who didn’t quite get him when he was singing “Longer”.

ronaldsf: Thanks for the link to Melinda. She is amazing! I almost fell out of my chair when she was voted off Idol. I’m glad she’s moving forward and I hope she surpasses the winners by miles.

Yeah,,,,I am loving hearing that VOICE- standing in line for the theme park….. in the rain/sleet/snow- yeah I have it bad……( but sorry Rascal cannot watch the video with out becoming hysterical)

Another thing about David doing this song….even if the hottest, coolest people do the other versions, David will get saddled with the image of the children’s song because he has these schizophrenic marketing people who cast him half the time as a man (the cover of his CD) and half the time as a boy (iCarly).

If Chris Brown (scratch that), If Kanye West did this song, it would not haunt him because it isn’t at all in keeping with his general image. (Marlie, get real, Kanye would probably give them $50k donation and say no thanks, I’m a megastar and I don’t do songs like that and don’t you forget it). LOL!

djafan – were you trying to post a link? I’ve had that happen sometimes and I have no idea why. When that happens we have been adding the word “remove” in front of the http and telling people to remove it before cutting and pasting into their browser.

Thank you marlie7… that’s exactly what I was trying to do.

djafan: great news! I noticed that the Buffalo radio station Kiss 98.5 finally added ALTNOY this week to their playlist. I was looking because of the concert at Infinity.

I figure something good is happening with his appearances in what some consider questionable places.

oh.. many people have asked where TMH went and no answer as of yet.

rascal #45. you said

“Maybe one of these days I will lay out some of my thoughts on what would be more effective (there are TONS of things they could be doing), but I am satisfied in my role as an observer / reviewer / critic for the time being.”

Come on..considering the last 2 threads, you don’t seem to be satisfied in your current role and I think your thoughts are desperately needed here. I think you are so beyond disappointed that you may be thinking if it’s worth your trouble trying to get people to understand what you’re saying. It’s disheartening to all of us to be sure, to see what we consider a true vocal genius, use his vocals in this way, to let himself be used in this way. But rascal, the GENIUS is still there..it’s not over by a long shot..I have absolute faith that David has certain goals and he will not be denied. Seems to me he is fulfilling some contractual obligations and there’s nothing he can do about it.
I think the David we love and are in awe of will emerge victorious during his David The Voice, LIVE! tour ( my name..cuz I like it! ). The Artist we know he is, the artist we love.

OK..I’m done.

Freofan – I am 100% sure David’s church is not calling his people and telling them that he was too sensual, in fact I would bet that none of the leaders of the church have probably even seen any of the Jingle Ball performances or are concerned with them. They in no way told him to tone it down or whatever you said after Sacramento, that is just ridiculous. You can disagree all you want but you are wrong. And prop 8 should probably not be discussed here.

Chenson – love your comments

From the Deseret News:
Build-a-Bear locations will match each donation, up to $50,000 worldwide.

Junebug- I agree. It seems everyone else is trying to make some type of issue about David’s faith- which from what I can see-he lives by example….and what a GREAT one!

I would love to see someone use their amazing talents, take THE VOICE singing the natl anthem in Hawaii, and put it on a video . . patriotic and wonderful. Nothing cheesy there.

Besides that, I agree with Junebug and Anne and even College mom . . I think David is just having fun being a kid. (Mormons are usually “kids” until they’re about 21 . . it’s a culture thing . . )

Well, Rascals video was on the money…

OK- getting paranoid here but that Imagine by Irlocal that have over 3 million hits has definately been removed. Boo hoo!
.

God! I wish I hadn’t given you the idea.

No time to read comments. My handicapped is in the hospital, unconscious since they found her on the floor this morning at 8:30 am. Just ran home for some things and, of course, had to do a quick check on David.

All I can say is–Amen to galaxystar2’s early comment! I’m PROUD of David for having a heart this big, for trying to influence kids for good, for making a contribution to Save the Children. He rocks! David is not about the money or the fame. For him, it’s the music and the good he can do that matters. I salute him.

Back to the hospital. Anyone who would remember Inga in their prayers will have my deepest gratitude.

Rae – that Imagine video was pulled a couple of days ago along with When You Believe (the largest viewed ones not all of them on YouTube). Also many of David Cook’s most viewed videos have been pulled also. No conspiracy…at least against David only.

Also, today, all music videos of Sony artists, David, Cook, Daughtry, Kelly Clarkson, etc. were pulled from AOL. The AOL Sessions are still up…but the ALTNOY and Crush music videos were pulled along with those of other AI artists under the Sony umbrella. David’s AOL Sessions version of TMH was pulled a couple of weeks ago.

Interesting! Thanks Juliebug…..So, I guess “clean up” is what Sony would call it. Well Imagine had a great ride.

One a different note, I would love to see David cover this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgeaR-0KDko

Galaxy75- you put words in my mouth…

I never said that “David singing this song was wrong.” Never even implied it.

You were the first comment to call the song cheesy. I just asked, “why is ok to be cheesy?” You have responded that in your opinion it is ok to be cheesy if you are trying to appeal to children. I don’t agree. I think in light of the fact that he left AI with an image he was trying to overcome, cheesy should be avoided.

I didn’t say “he (will) lose the rest of his fans over it”, nor do I think he will.

What I did say is :
I did not like the song.
I thought the arrangement was killer (and not in a good way.)
I asked ninaf why she would want to listen to it if she thought it had “inane words, with boring melodies and poor arrangements.”
And I asked who the producers were since I figured they would be primarily responsible for the arrangement.

I will skip this song, no problem.

Btw- sorry it took me so long to respond but I was watching a cheesy and inane show that entertains my elitist, adult self…AI.

It will be a great relief when David’s sold-out solo tour begins.

The memory of all the low-brow, spontaneous fun he had in his downtime will have faded; he will no longer have time for degrading charitable endeavours and we can turn our attention to encouraging and supporting him.

Can’t wait.

Angelica- May I say that I love your posts!

This one from yesterday was just wondereful- ( but always behind, later and a dollar short- just saw it today:

I’m not a marketing strategist. I don’t know if he will ever be able to connect on a huge scale with his peer group. It’s very clear that there may be some pressures that he succumbs to, but peer pressure is not among them. He is supremely indifferent to their feelings about him having never been kissed. He is unapologetic about his refusal to use the most banal swear words. If they are waiting for him to get drunk or do drugs to fit their idea of cool, God give them the strength to endure.

Still, I truly believe that time and the Voice will prevail and a new cool will emerge, one that requires discipline and courage. One that inspires love and hope, not cynicism and despair. This might seem impossible except that David has a secret weapon that many, including David, are absolutely unaware of: He is, whether he likes it or not, incredibly, powerfully sensual.
He has IT, like his album cover almost subliminally states.
If his management would just get a clue to this fact, they might find their job much easier and more lucrative in the long run. David is his best advertisement. Just let him work his magic and don’t dilute it for the kiddies to make a quick buck. By doing so, they may have their cash cow, but may lose Toro Bravo. As I said, I’m not a marketing strategist. I work in the field of health care and our creed is: First, do no harm.

First concert for the tour is just 13 days away. Get ready for this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXcg9ikLjpc

(I’m trying really hard to be positive and, well, just…trying real hard)

This is hilarious. The Snarkies can always tell the truth in the funniest of ways:

“whyyy is david’s voice sooooo stupidly hotttttt on this insanely cheesy dorkfest of a song? i am such a creep. it’s like the hottest his voice has ever sounded. i am gonna drown in the floodwaters outside now.

goodbye, sweet world.

Posted by Amy

I can’t see any way in heck this song can possibly have a negative impact on David’s career. It’s for a charity for goodness sake. I would be shocked if there is one person commenting here who hasn’t seen him perform live many times and you all know he may be lovably dorky but he isn’t cheesy. His fans know he isn’t cheesy and the vocal on this song is far from cheesy. He sounds great and I am not ashamed to say I love his vocal and the song is just fine too. And when did we ever get a chance to see a video of him recording a full song? I am thankful for that too.

Actually, it was yesterday’s Luaus and Sitcoms and Bears, Oh My!

muldur #105…see my post #103 It’s not just here that the word cheesy came into play.

valbraz108- !!!!!!

Okay, I’m a sucker for watching David sing “live”. I don’t hate the song as much since watching the good video of “the making of”. Echoing Amy, why, why, why can he just open his mouth and belt out some corn-pone song and I love him anyway.

(Doesn’t mean I like his marketers, but I looovve David!)

(I’m trying really hard to be positive and, well, just…trying real hard)

Marlie, love your idea, and I’m going to try it, this time taking a suggestion from Angelica#90.

Take a trip down memory lane with me, everyone! (i.e. – did this guy ever give you the impression that he’d be recording an inane treacly song for a teddy bear? Gah – the Archustrut!):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwsIw8wrjRA

Helloooooo Gorgeous!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX_3FkswVTM

Oh wow! You guys at ND are awesome. You should all manage David’s career. You seem to know what’s best for him. Where’s Jeff? Jeff, beware! Pretty soon you’re going to be replaced by these so called very devoted David fans. They will turn David into this big adult superstar. Who wouldn’t want that, Jeff? I would!

Oh my goodness! David ARchuleta is in trouble, BIG TROUBLE! His fans *almost* hate him now and they also hate his managers. How do you like that, David? I hope you come and visit this site too, not just FansofDavid, okay? You will see how much your older fans love you by how much they criticize what you do. Well, let’s just say it’s *de*constructive criticism. It will make you wiser in your choices of projects to do in the future, you know. Really lots of good stuff here. Wisdom oozes from the people on this site. I beg you to listen to them. You want Archuworld peace, don’t you? Please, please, just listen to these wise people at ND, ok?

Chenson, you are my hero. I thought I’d let you know that.

So when I want to yell at David for selling himself short, he calms me down with this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAQOgzKgxXM

I was a David fan when I heard “Heaven”, but this is when I fell absolutely in love with him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBwZt_WCXkY

HG – Perfect!

Ely: Don’t even begin to imply (or outright state) that anyone here “almost hates” David. Them there’s fightin’ words.

There is no need to mock a charity song. Not everything in life has to be done to perfection.

happy said: where are you when we are having fun?

Yeah, like the first few seconds of this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=552rC37y52Q

David, when I listen to this, I forgive all your transgressions (like recording that Build-a-Bear song):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nO_428pHxo

On another note, seeing as Chris Brown’s fans are having a full on meltdown over his assault charges, I do think, as someone else mentioned, that it’s ironic that some of David’s fans are spazzing over his singing a teddy bear song for charity. heh.

And Chenson, if you asked me for a vision of what I want for David: Honey, I just want him to be taken seriously as an artist. I don’t want Groban, I don’t want Buble, I don’t want the Jonas Brothers.

I just want David unplugged, unleashed, and uncompromised.

marlie131/HG- you raise me up…

where is SF? SF we need you….

HG #133 I watch that ever single night. I cannot get enough of it. And I am printing off the words:
“I just want David unplugged, unleashed, and uncompromised.”

Daisy #134 That throat…that’s why I changed my avi to this one. Woot!

Warning!

If you’re determined to go on hating this treacly BAB song don’t watch the ‘behind the scenes’ video.

I was weak and I’m starting to cave. David’s face and smiles are TMTH.

I hate this song – in a snarkyish kinda way.

HG – I have the utmost respect for you and have always loved reading your posts.I have agreed with your point of view more times than not.

I have no problem what-so-ever hearing varying opinions, that is why I come here. But I respectfully have to take issue with your pointed accusation, directly calling David a “sell out.” To me, that one is a cheap shot.

I have my riot gear on, ready for the onslaught, but I just couldn’t let that one pass.

Emmegirl, please calm down. I was being facetious when I said it (wasn’t that obvious? Guess I should have put “sell out” in quotes).

happy~ is that a bayonet or cupid’s arrow you have strapped to your back there??..I need the correct racket if I’m gonna play..lol..btw/nice stubble! you are quite the warrior..What happened to your tennis whites? or was it baby blues…..

marlie7 #123 – It was Shop Around for me too. Oh my, that was a great moment, the first time I saw that.

Thanks for all the video links. I’m loving it!

Back to the trip down memory lane. A moment that i will never forget. Did he ever put more of himself into a song than this? He was exhausted when this was over.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSNY2FMmDoE

dj145- I need Aragorn for protection against the Ely’s that have been around lately…..maybe I should shoot Ely with cupid’s arrow instead of Aragorn’s… Ely are you young and male?

Marlie#149, you beat me to it!

G’nite SF!

happy – I’m confused. Was Ely sarcastic or genuine?????? I’m missing something here.

happy..you lie!! you don’t need nobody! you do jus’ fine all by yo little ole self!

Nite!

Luv ya rascal!

note to Ely~ when you bow your head and say Amen ..be careful as you may get clocked with a tomato…just sayin’

happy ..ready..aim…………

djb:
Yeah, I’m aware of that. So even though I bow my head in agreement, I have both eyes wide open, just in case. I hate tomatoes!

Marlie/149~HG/153~ ..must be something in the air tonight…I have been there multiple times evening,nothing like it

Ely~ do like Nuts??

HG – please accept my apologies if I overreacted. I know you love David dearly. Guess emotions are running a little high these days. Still befuddles me how he does this.

I have to agree with valbraz, I dare anyone to watch the making of the video and not fall a little in love with it. It is NOT possible.

PEACE!

Chenson #32: Excellent analysis. Couldn’t have said it better myself.

The problem here seems to be that some, perhaps many, of David’s older fans want him to sing to them and not to young kids and teens. This could be thought of as selfish and abusive of David’s personality, a personality that is still relishing its youth, as you have so eloquently indicated. As SF wrote in the last thread, when David re-invents himself at some future time, perhaps in a way that does not meet with the approval of his critics, will they be still be his fans?

This new song, “Lets Talk About Love”, is destined to be a great hit. It will be sung in every elementary classroom in the country at some time or another. It will be imprinted on the minds of every kid in this country and, likely, other English speaking countries as well, and through them, on their parents from now until forever. Its simple melodies and easy, gentle, loving lyrics will be learned and remembered by those kids until their dying days. If you tried to design a marketing plan to achieve this end, I seriously doubt that any genius in the field would be able to top this one. And from what has been written, it is all a result of serendipity, a chance meeting in NYC of a young singer and a charity worker.

David is doing exactly what he needs to do for his long-term success: he is winning the affection of those who will sustain him for decades to come. Those hand-wringers and doomsayers who condemn this career path are hard-pressed to offer an alternative that will make sense to David and his connections, and that alternative will HAVE to make sense to David if it has a chance of being pursued.

Rascal: I don’t want to abuse your hospitality on this, your site, but it seems to me that David’s management is not the real problem here. It is the perception of that management’s decisions that has changed, and perceptions often seem to change when a perceptor changes. We are all under stress in these very trying times, and I suspect that you are no exception. I remember your words of not too long ago, and I hope that you do as well: “Trust the Archulator”

happy:
No, I don’t really like to play sexual/sensual, whatever games. I dont’ know how to play that kind of a game. I guess I’m not smart enough, you know. You’d beat me all the time for sure. I sucked at those games.

People, all I’m saying here is I LOVE DAVID ARCHULETA! It hurts me to read so many negative comments about him, his songs, etc…. I believe I have invested my life into this wonderful, wonderful person and all I want in return is to see him do something that makes him happy. Obviously doing something for a charity is a worthwhile activity for him. I support him. I don’t think this will ruin his career like some of you are implying. It’s okay to help out and lend a hand. I will buy this beautiful music about love and knowing that it’s for a good cause is even better.

Emmegirl, no hard feelings. And Happy, ha ha! You are so good at changing the mood. Where are those Happy House Rules?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6InpRCfkwyM

okay Marlie…HG… watch carefully …divahands…archustomp…and the hunkerdown…have all been perfected over the last 6 years… how freaking adorable was he.

Marlie#168, melts mine too!

This one also has a special place in my heart:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A1ujHc67VI

Dawn65: I’ve never seen that one – he’s adorable! He should have done the Build-a-Bear song then! LOL!

happy~ I warned Ely ’bout that bowing..didn’t I…I am confused.. I think Ely might like tomatoes…..strange game….

dj- Ely didn’t even return your nuts lob!!! what a waste of some good material….

HG/marlie/dawn- ♥…..thanks for all the links!!!

I think it’s time for bed… love to all nDers….

good night all. thanks for the fun.

Happy~183/ must be a rookie..lol..
~sweet dreams~

I’m doing the countdown marlie… I only have 2 weeks for my first show in Sayerville… and then on to Williamsville .

I’m so pumped about that one… 800 people.. wow .. I won’t go into the catch22 on that..because I’m just not up for the volley tonight.. but woohoo !! My tshirts are on their way..should be delivered in plenty of time for my concerts !!!!

I swear to God…if he hunkersdown in real life… I may just pass out.

Dawn65 – we’ll have to lean on our 21 and 22 year old guests Get ready to hold me up, girl!

Ziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip-a-dee-doo-dah, ziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip-a-dee-ay

Marlie #174: Problem is, he doesn’t have anything like their ’street cred’ does he? He simply wouldn’t be believable singing the songs they sing, would he? Someday he may be able to creditably write and sing like they do, but his peers only laugh at him now because they know that he hasn’t got the scars that those he admires have, wouldn’t you agree?

Singing is the conveying of emotion through song and melody that is harmonious, harmonious not just in a musical sense, but much more importantly in a personal sense. When Frank Sinatra sang “I Did It My Way” he was instantly believable because he had that ’street cred’, didn’t he? When Edith Piaf sang “La Vie En Rose” she was instantly believed because everyone knew that she had lived that life, didn’t she? It is absurd to expect context and depth from a blank piece of paper. The words and songs that tell of a life must be backed up by experience that is relevant and believable, something that we have yet to see from the great talent that is David Archuleta. In time we will see those marvels, but he has a long way to go to get there.

marlie – David also said “someday” and “when I’m ready”, etc.

Somebody Out There – Help!

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marlie7 – I’m not saying I think he WANTS to be a teeny bopper star or that I want him to be a teeny bopper star. What I’m saying is that this has been his inevitable direction for a long time. Do I wish it was different? Yes. Do I want him to sing more mature songs? Yes. My greatest wish is to see David WRITE and PLAY his own music – be a true artist. I know he’s capable of it. He’s a musical genius. But the reality of the situation is that this is not the marketing direction for David right now. Besides, the entertainment industry is mostly centered on the short attention spans of the younger demographic. Recent studies show that teeny boppers are now the largest consumer group in America. Therefore, to be a successful top 40 artist, you need to grab the attention of the younger fans. They are what drive the industry. Again, I wish it weren’t so. The quality of entertainment is suffering greatly right now. Just turn on the local pop station or Disney Channel. But I think Jive knows that in order for David to be successful, he needs to cater to this audience. For now.

RealMusicLover 193 “The words and songs that tell of a life must be backed up by experience that is relevant and believable,”

Really ? No… he connects with his audience. His debut CD is ALL about NOTHING he has any experience with… and yet.. I believe him.

that’s his gift…

Chris Brown did Sesame Street… just sayin…

193: I have also wondered about that street cred thing.
I think with most artists, they have to “experience” stuff to convery it to others.

But i swear, David channels the music from a parallel univerise or something. I don’t think he needs to use personal experiences- the music comes through him.

Yea, a tad metaphysical- but I think he is just so in touch with music, he channels it.

Ok signing out- the prayer was long ago

juliebug! LOL! I cleared my cache and now I understand Zip-a-dee-do-dah

marlie – heh

Dawn65 – #203 – agree! That is part of his incredible gift.

There are very successful, very young people singing and selling their wares out there who have had very limited life experience, similar to David. But I cannot connect with them on any level whatsoever. That is what sets him apart.

It only took me an hour to catch up. Just great. I missed out on all the fun.
I watched the BAB video. I made it to .56 seconds in. Now I am starting to feel like a bad fan. I just couldn’t watch or listen past that. And that hasn’t EVER happened with David before. I love him.
Thank God for the links here tonight. I think I watched the Sac Jingle Ball more times than is appropriate!

JR – If you are lurking, yes Adam is wearing a beanie. I cropped out the top of it. It says “Pantera”
Not exactly my genre of music. His father is a metal musician.

This is my favorite from Sacramento….enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zNIs5lC5ak

I’m on the same “boat” as chenson & galaxystar. Though I agree the song is not even close to equal of David’s talent, I do not believe it was a bad decision on David’s part. In fact I applaud him for doing it. It was a chance meeting between David and the charity worker and she asked him to help. Everything I have come to know about David, leads me to believe that the only answer he would give is yes. David doesn’t think about image or how this will benefit him in the long run. This move was not about David. It was about David wanting to share his love of music, to help people and to contribute to a greater good. This is what I feel is the greatest gift David has to offer, even greater than “The Voice”
Ely – You are no stranger to me. I have seen you on this site before and I am so happy that you are a fan of David.

HG – I just think these Jive types are looking for edgy, sexy, and slick. Only the obvious…so they don’t know what to do with someone like David.

Well, anyway, nite!!

I just finished watching the BAB behind the scenes and I know I just love David period… in the end all will be fine.

realmusiclover#169, 193

We, his older fans here, do not want him to sing only to us and not the younger kids or teenagers. We want him to sing to everyone in that universal language he speaks so fluently. We don’t want him to dumb down a song to connect to the kids. We don’t want him to sing Sinatra ballads to connect to us. We want him to connect to himself, to the uncompromising artist that is inside of him. That is the surest way for him to reach all of his fans, who span so many ages. Just be true to himself and the voice inside him that has brought him this far. You say he can’t yet be like those he looks up to because he lacks the street cred they have, and no one will believe it coming from him. I heard him sing a snippet of I’m Yours on the fly and he made it so credible it was incredible. Everyone has their own story to tell. His will grow and get deeper with time, but it is enough for me now. What we want, what we are quietly voicing, in the only way we know how, is our fervent desire that he be able to continue to tell that story. Because there is no one else alive today that can speak and be understood so well as David Archuleta when he sings.

Rascal, to you a 10 upon 10 for this delightful video and a 11 upon 10 to David for turning this simple song into such a pleasurable piece to listen to.

Thank you, did you put it on Youtube so others could watch it too?

Good morning all!

Just as I suspected, the majority (if not all) of the other David fansites are just one big giant lovefest and 100% unadulterated gushing galore over this BAB song. (Of course, Rascal, a few keep referencing your unnamed site and chastising you for not joining in the lovefest. That’s right: they’re telling on you! ha ha! I’m sure you’ll be experiencing a mini-exodus because you refuse to do mindless gushing, but not to worry! I’m sure happy, SF, Freo, Angelica, Marlie, and a few others – and myself of course – will stand by you! We won’t abandon you for telling it straight!)

The thing about it is, while I don’t feel the same love for this song, I would never post my thoughts on these sites because I’d be bursting their happy little bubble. So, why is it that those BAB song lovers occasionally post some disparaging remarks aimed at us because we dare to be critical?

That’s really what this “war” – if we can call it that – is about. It’s not even about agreeing or disagreeing with a certain marketing strategy or certain appearances or certain songs. It’s the ArchuPolice policing the fanbase.

The expectation is always that you support all things David and love everything he does, no questions asked. If he put out the world’s crappiest song, we’re not supposed to call anyone’s attention to how crappy it is. The collective thinking is: as long as it’s David, he raises it to the level of angelical goodness.

Anyone who criticizes is not a “real” fan, or we’re giving haters ammunition to hate David (like they need to rely on us to do this), or – my favorite part – we’re ultimately “selfish” for wanting what’s artistically best for David: never mind their only focus is just another opportunity for another David sighting, another David song – no matter what.

So, once again, I’m grateful for ND because there is literally no other fan site where we can have these frank and serious debates. You’re either on the David Love Train, or you’re not – as if there is only one way to love David. As if this frank and serious discussion is not another manifestation of our David Love!

Well said, HG!!!

I was thinking last night, a true friend is one who is honest with you and tells you what you don’t want to hear sometimes. No one learns from 100 percent all-the-time praise. Sometimes you gotta hear what you don’t want to hear. David’s people f***** up big-time with this drivel of a song. I don’t know what is going on.

Someone mentioned that other singers do children’s songs. But those other children’s songs are often Sesame Street (after the singer has established some credibility after a few years) or other highly creative and witty children’s songs, not this crap.

rascal, this is so sad…are you really a fan?

Thank you, Persimmon, for proving my point.

The ArchuPolice strikes again!

No one learns from 100 percent all-the-time praise. Sometimes you gotta hear what you don’t want to hear.

Thank you, Freo, and in my line of profession, I’ve often seen that scenario play out where so many gush, gush, and praise, praise, but it takes just one tiny criticism to burst the bubble. And it’s that one tiny criticism that sheds light for the person who needs guidance and growth.

So, the chorus of praises become meaningless when it doesn’t stand up against the one eloquent soliloquy of criticism.

I imagine that’s why some are threatened by your posts, Rascal.

just a couple of points to address some persistent comments.

If David were already well established in the markets critical for his long-term, legitimate and critical success, I would have less of an issue with an effort like this because it would be a lower risk proposition. But at this point–and coming on the heels of a number of other children-oriented efforts — it is very risky indeed. The industry and the segments of the public who are the real opinion-makers ALREADY think David is suitable only for young kids. Why in the world does it make sense to undertake projects that only serve to SUPPORT that perception and make it that much more difficult to break out of it? Some commentators have pointed out that this material will not get on the radar of those who would view it as detrimental to David’s already compromised reputation. But the music industry IS watching. And if there were any producers or labels out there who were on the fence about whether David could cut it as as a legitimate young-adult artist, these last few episodes in his career will have pushed them over — to the wrong side.

chenson: “I think some of you are misunderstanding what im saying about Groban or Buble, im not saying that you want him to sound exactly like them, im saying that you want him to enter a similar area of appreciation and marketing”

You didn’t read my post #42 about David being marketed as an 18-year-old, not a 12-year-old.

Ouch! You know I love you all here. And I respect that you and I disagree. I have not bashed anyone for not liking the song or the way David’s career is going. But I just got my feelings hurt. By several of the regulars here. Just because I disagree that the song is crappy. That it is crappy is YOUR truth. Not mine. But you are making those of us who don’t feel it is crappy out to be naive, and stupid and not obviously thinking clearly. We just have different tastes. But I guess mine is not up to par? So that makes me stupid? I’m a little too low-brow in my tastes? My opnion not worth the time to consider? Who decides? Me? You? To each his own.

I agree that some gush for the sake of gushing. But some of us legitimately like the song. And have no problem with David singing it. But because it is an opposing view…it’s not valid?

This is no longer a debate. It’s become people choosing sides and insulting the other side if they don’t agree. I’ve been on the fence. I see both points.They are all valid opinions. But I resent being told that I’m not facing facts and that I obviously don’t know what I’m talking about. I can make up my own mind. That does not make me a lemming. It just means I’ve come to my own conclusions and I disagree.

I respect your point of view. I’d appreciate the same. I know you are reacting to the bashers of your opinion. But please don’t lump all of us disagreers together.

Thanks….

Chenson #240
If you think that we who object to David being careless and self-indulgent with his craft are doing so just so he can be appreciated and marketed in the manner of Groban or Buble, I don’t know…words fail me.

I had to turn down David’s music that is playing through my computer…it’s much to distracting when I am trying to post.

I’ve made the comment before on “AI” sites that I think the minimum age is much too young for the contestants. Several reasons: You have to be 18 to sign a binding contract, unless you are a certified high school graduate you have to be schooled during the program, your voice isn’t fully developed and could be easily developed during the rigorous process, etc. etc.

No tomatoes please…but I really wish David had waited to audition. Even though he has one of the greatest voices his mind and body still aren’t as developed as the voice. Add to that the fact that he is still influenced and guided by sources other than his own innate good sense, including his church, his parents, his management, his record company and even the enthusiasm of his fan base and I fully understand the bipolarism of his career.

The “growing up” that should have occurred in a sheltered environment is on display for the whole world to see and react to. That would to be difficult for anyone.

I just hope that, bottom line, David has the personal fortitude to handle all of this. As much as we all love and adore him we can’t shelter him from the realities of his decision to start swimming in this fish bowl. We all know that this is going to be one tough road for David to walk down. I have faith in him and his talent. May they persevere.

juliebug #244 If I said anything to make you feel that way, I am sorry. That was never my intention.

I think we need this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn0WqfK3NIc

#244 – juliebug – you are a very wise woman.

Liking the song for what it is in the context for which it is written (it is going in a teddy bear for goodness sake) and enjoying David’s voice does not make you a gushing, goober-minded fan.

Chenson, you got guts kid, and I applaud you for it.

And I am now doing a Forrest Gump,

“and that’s all I’m gonna say ’bout that.”

#255 should read “the nasty posting questioning his sexual orientation…” Sheesh,

Sorry, that should we “must *we*reinforce that…”

OK, just found out from IDF and Snarkies that David was on Good Morning, America this morning.

What??!!!!

How did I miss this important memo?! Dang it!

See what happens when we debate fluff like singing for fluffy bears? You miss the important grown-up appearances! Ack!

*Lesson learned.*

I mean he is being careless and self-indulgent with his voice when he uses it in ways that do not:

a) Present it publically in the most favorable light possible.

b) Meet the highest standards he himself knows he is capable of.

#262

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGiGbtKUzDU

A video of Tom Jones busking on the streets of London. Singing is a gift to the world to be shared, not something you hide only for those who pay the most money for. Davids nose isnt so high up in the air.

OK, need to head to work right now.

Marlie, if you find the GMA vids, could you please post the links? Thanks!

Signing off until next time!

CHENSON…I Love you! That is all.

juliebug..Love you!!

Looks like there’s a little calm before the NEXT storm..but just wanted to say
I don’t think any of the regular ND posters who don’t care for the song or the direction David’s mgmt ( read my words..DAVID”S MGMT>>NOT DAVID! ) is taking him, are going to other fan sites and BASHING THEM cuz they love the song and think whatever David’s mgmt does is rainbows & unicorns, hugs & kisses, pat on the back, whatever as long as there’s a chance I’ll meet David..do whatever you want with him???

And even though the bashing has not been aimed at ME, I feel all achey like I’ve been beat up!

I don’t agree that rascal should have made the video, because even though it was meant as a criticism of THE SONG..many will actually love it, cuz it’s cute..and that’s the whole point..THE VOICE is too good for “cute”. I also think that the same people who are loving the song would not be loving it if, say..Miley, or the Jonas kids were the ones singing it..they would most likely have the SAME criticisms as rascal.
I don’t hate the song, only cuz David makes it bearable, but I don’t love it either..and who cares what I think anyway? Why are so many so bent out of shape cuz NOT everyone Loves this song? I don’t love the song, but that in no way diminishes my love, hopes and dreams for David The Voice..I’m hoping rascal is wrong about what he said…

“But the music industry IS watching. And if there were any producers or labels out there who were on the fence about whether David could cut it as as a legitimate young-adult artist, these last few episodes in his career will have pushed them over — to the wrong side”.

Thing is..rascal’s been right more than wrong…

I take exception when anyone dares to imply that we are not true fans of David..IT’s because we are the first to call ourselves Unconditional forever fans of David that we feel compelled to speak up when we feel something is not quite right. But at the same time, we do not deny the right of anyone else to disagree just don’t do it with a baseball bat!

This is worse than when rascal dared to say CRUSH was sexy…uh..and? Which, ultimately turned out to have more than a grain of truth!!

I need an aspirin….

My greatest pleasure associated with ND is that it makes me think…and then I have to put those thoughts down on paper (old school) in some sort of logical structure.

Having all of these differing points of view helps reinforce why I keep coming back here (even after I post some really dumb comments).

First, I LOVE David and am interested in his career development. Second, I am an analytical person by nature and I want to understand everything that impacts his career (good or bad). Third, this site is crawling with very intelligent people who have great comments and thoughts and ideas and -pause for affect- viable criticisms. I visit other David sites but don’t read the comments sections because I get so tired of the vote for this, and respond to this, and isn’t it wonderful that, and go to this blog site and let so and so have it for being negative towards David, and (the worst) be instructed to bow down to the shrine that is the second coming in the form of David.

Just a quick thanks to everyone for brightening my unemployed, boring days with your presence. It’s really nice to talk to adults and to participate in real, honest discussions. Luv ya ALL.

# 262 If David can’t be self indulgent once in awhile with his voice then I would rather him not be a recording artist at all. He deserves to do what makes him happy because he is a human not a machine. Money/fame/career is not what life is all about. I’m glad David realizes this hence his firesides and hospital visits that he makes along with doing a song for charity that he is getting raked over the coals for.

Thanks, juliebug, #273 great interview!! Love that David’s heard how fast his concert venues are selling out and also how incredulous he is… still … that people are lining up just to see HIM…

That’s bound to give him a boost of confidence for this tour and electrify his performances even more… and as we all know… no kid stuff there!

As Refnaf says “14 more sleeps” (for us, anyway). Can. Not. Wait.

Myth: A distorted juvenile image of David is being created and marketed here and yon by David’s management. Lunch boxes and thermoses for the nation’s school kids, bearing this image, are an imminent threat and will be a permanent blow to his musical genius.

Fact: Marketing and sales wise, David is not at the stage where he would even be considered for such a lucrative deal. Many many folks simply do not know who he is. A distorted image of him has been created and continues to be groomed on the internet.

Myth: BAB is making money off of David and passing it off as charity.

Fact: BAB is making money off of David, and David is making money off of BAB. It is his first endorsement deal and, in the grand scheme of things, is not a huge coup for him but it is a start. Some proceeds from the song, however, will go to charity.

Myth: David’s fanbase is responsible for 1.6 million downloads of Crush (prior thread).

Fact: David’s fanbase is not responsible for 1.6 million downloads or a percentage that even remotely gets him to this sales #. ALTNOY has been out since November and hasn’t even sold 100k. The ALTNOY video got to #9 on iTunes and quickly plummeted. David’s album has sold 600k+ in three months; meanwhile, Clay Aiken’s fanbase bought 700k copies of his album in its debut week.

Myth: Before January 1, 2009, David only participated in marketing gigs and performances befitting his musical genius.

Fact: David went on a radio tour in November 2008 where he ate lunch at pizza parlors with the fans, ate Panera breakfasts with the fans, sang Crush a capella to a lucky winner of a radio contest, did the Wigalow, shot the iCarly episode, did a photo shoot for the Life Story magazine, sang the NA at a high school, sealed the BAB deal, and on and on.

What has changed between fall 2008 and January 2009 is David no longer has a current hit single. If Crush had not been a success and initial sales of his album had not been strong, what would this board have been like in November and December?

Myth: David or David’s handlers don’t know when to turn anything down. He appears at luaus, firesides, shopping malls, etc. This has hurt his credibility.

Fact: David turned down appearing and performing at an exclusive party proposed and for the folks at this Web site. He has unintentionally hurt the fans who regularly frequent this board (see HG’s remarks about his recent luau appearance).

Myth: This is a fan board where David’s older, analytical fans discuss David’s artistry, marketing campaigns, and management.

Fact: This is a fan board where folks discuss the artistry, marketing campaigns, management, tight jeans, dating habits, psychosexual status, and the body parts of a once 17-year-old singer who turned 18 on December 28.

Me thinks the word is out….told you that saying anything negative about David’s career will have the posters from other web sites storming over here! Be prepared to be raked over the coals.

Oh, I am much happier this morning. I can see a more balanced energy of yin and yan here now. This is what ND is all about!

Juliebug, Tess, Kizzi, Chensen, Silverfox, Just Wandering and Ram, Cutter, Ely, I love your posts. And Rascal, thanks for #265, restating that you value diverging opinions. This reassures the lurkers that they are really welcome to unlurk, even when they’ll be presenting different viewpoints.

Silverfox, I actually had been waiting to see this post of yours when all the back and forth were going on. I knew it would be here. And I got it this morning! You really have a big heart. And guess what, you are right about the appeal of Rascal’s video. My ten year old watched it and absolutely loved the bears and the song. She asked me to send her the link to this site. (Do I dare?) What is interesting is that Rascal probably created the video with some sarcasm inside, but the product looks totally sincere to the outsiders!

#283 “Although…we could look at this as he is so awesome that he can really do anything….from kids music to adult music. Hmmm….a man of many talents! LOL!”

He CAN sing anything, that’s for sure. And I hope your sentiment is true – I would really love if this does nothing at all of harm to David and only good.

jackryan4DA…sometimes “maturity of membership” and the “eloquence of resident posters” merely means that most of us are much older then he average fans and some use some pretty fancy words…but are we just cats and dogs chasing our own tails?

I give great cedit to the other sites who give us the up to the minute news including videos and are very supportive of David’s career in a good natured manner…

jackryan4DA….

If your comment about disrespecting other fansites was related to my earlier post #272 I think I may need to clarify my comment. I go to Snarkies and to FOD to get my David fix everyday. I get great links to interviews and videos and all things David. I think these sites are terrific and have a much deserved place in David’s world.

What I don’t do, anymore, is read the comments sections. For my taste, and my taste only, I find them a bit pedantic and boring. Gushing is wonderful but it does become saccharin after awhile. I want to discuss David, warts and all.

jr4da: Good day! I think we may have to note another possible tipping point on our time line here.

And, it has been a rather dramatic (albeit traumatic for some) ride the past couple of days; we all want what is best for David and how to get to that best and what that best is, can turn into an emotionally charged debate.

I had a dream last night that I was standing on a pier and waving good bye to the notingDavid ship because I was so far off from the last couple of threads–further off than I have ever been; so I had to re-read them and understand the people and what was being said and also take into consideration the heat of the moment and the motivation of love for David. And I decided this is kinda a test for us—rascal even said he thought he would see a few regular posters depart—for a group that has come together to appreciate the artistry and their love for David while being able to occupy a place that embraces all opinions and that is why I am still here!

{{{Hugs}}}

You guys are right. I was way harsh when I said that David was careless and self-indugent. He is one of the most careful, selfless beings on the planet. It was a poor choice of words. I was the one being careless and self-indulgent with my craft in writing about him in that way. Not him. Never him.
So I want to publically apologize to David and to his fans.

And if I ever overstep the line again, please don’t hesitate to call me on it.

This was not easy for me to write. But it was necessary.
I am not perfect and neither is David. Of course, he is entitled to make mistakes. But any mistakes made up to this point have been made by his management, not by him. So I hope all of you will forgive me. I’m having a bit of a hard time forgiving myself right now.

So what does it mean to be a grand marshall?

OK, here goes my silly attempt to define an abstraction.
Grand Marshall would be the “top dog” for the parade, the ceremonial host that is “honored” for his or her accomplishments. Someone the parade viewers can identify with.

Just remember this is not the “MAIN’ Mardi Gras parade, but one of the smaller themed neighborhood parades that occur. Hence the reference (sorry rascal) to “getting a grand marshall that appeals to the younger set, the Kids.”

Good Morning Everyone!

Never thought I would ever type that for this site, but some needed marketing (that word again) has brought me into town this a.m. and I couldn’t resist checking in with my fellow Archies at ND. Last night’s fog is finally lifting after four cups of coffee. The fog was laid down by 5 draughts of Germany’s finest enjoyed at my favorite sports bar where I watched the Lakers lose to Utah (*sob!–crocodile tears falling*), and I am not surprised to find that the debate continues.

HG # 218: Your ad hominem attack was disappointing. I thought very highly of you prior to it. That has changed.

Angelica #228: “Because there is no one else alive today that can speak and be understood so well as David Archuleta when he sings.”
So very true! But for words to have meaning they must be truthfully felt, not just by the listener, but also by the speaker or singer, because the listener must feel that the speaker/singer fully understands the emotion that is being conveyed. It is one thing to see fire, it is quite another to put you hand in it and feel it. Secondhand emotions are never the same as those felt firsthand.

Marlie #242: You continue to insist that David is 18 and not 12, and should be marketed as such, despite the fact that David and his parents have often stated that he may be 18 in body but younger than that in maturity. If you are unwilling to accept the truth from the kid himself and the two who gave him life, who would you believe?

Chenson: Kid, you are truly amazing. You are wise beyond your years. Keep up the good work.

Kizzi, Tess, Juliebug, Little Mushroom, Cutter 12 and all who have tried to bring a tone of reasonableness to this discussion, BLESS YOU!

I repeat: I love that little BAB song. It is so David. It is so gentle. It is so loving. It is so inspirational. It is truly wonderful that kids will be hearing it and singing it for years to come because its message is one of love and the joy of togetherness. It will be an hit with those who need and ought to hear it, and that’s all that matters, isn’t it?

*whistles*

TIME OUT!

A little reminder of why we’re all here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w24IVB0ukkI

David is a terrific young man, and one who believes in speaking the truth. I am sure he appreciates any and all constructive ideas that may come his way. One positive aspect of the internet is that immediate feedback is always available. So should he, or those close to him want to see how his supporters are reacting they know which sites to review. I appreciate the various opinions that are expressed here. I would be most appreciative to have access to all opinions, whether glowing or not so glowing.

TOFaaaaannnn! Hi – LOL, you need a referee avi! I love that performance of “Angels” – thanks for the link

Hold tight Rascal…the next storm is on its way…we need you and your wise words of wisdom to get thru this lol! Let’s all try to put aside any negativity about this next promo thing with Miley…REMEMBER WHAT I HAVE SAID…Miley is a superstar and is respected in the music industry (although I still don’t know why). We want David to become just as famous so he can really be given the chance to prove to all the critics what we have known all along…how truly amazing he really is and for him to be respected for his artistry! WOW…RASCAL WHAT A RIDE THIS HAS BEEN SO FAR!!! Love ya!

Well, not that this will make you guys happier or anything but David announced today that he’ll be making an appearance on Hannah Montana

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/02/american-idol-david-archuleta-plays-judge-raves-over-idol-experience-at-disneys-hollywood-studios-.html

#304. If Miley Cyrus is respected in the music industry, it is for the ability to draw in the dollars. As far as respect for the artistry, well, that’s up for debate.

Gee… so I’m guessing from your last three posts you’re not thrilled about some of David’s recent output….

I don’t think everyone who likes David has to love everything he does, but maybe there’s a way to express that without the meanspirited humor that seems to be seeping in here. The tongue can be a sharp sword. In this case, the keyboard even sharper.

There are many talented writers here commenting on a talented singer, and while I’m all for sarcasm, wit, and dark humor, maybe a little patience and kindness toward our subject is in order. Perhaps all of this is aimed at his management or label and maybe he’ll never see it, but I don’t think you can put this negative energy out there without some sort of damage being done.

Maybe a little introspection on how we’re using OUR talents to better the world is in order. peace.

Juliebug-

You got any more space on that boat? Let’s pack up the brownies for the trip. Could we take a detour of sorts to the Philippines? I hear SOMEBODY has a trip planned over there eventually.

LMAF- I know some are probably cringing right now but life is too short to take myself so seriously and Miley is in for it.

BJ – I know I’m not personally blindly adoring David. I’m just being more realistic. This is David’s path now and there’s nothing to be done! And I don’t see why anyone expected anything else. He’s a TEEN heartthrob, so of COURSE he’s going to be marketed to teens. It’s been a long time coming. And the TRUTH is that this is just the way things work.

Meleah-I agree. It is quite apparent what the focus of the marketing is. Although some may not like it, it is what it is.

Fact: David turned down appearing and performing at an exclusive party proposed and for the folks at this Web site. He has unintentionally hurt the fans who regularly frequent this board (see HG’s remarks about his recent luau appearance).

Seven7swans, when did you hear about this? How come this wasn’t mentioned before? If I had known, I wouldn’t have kept bringing it up.

JR#287, you’re awesome, as always! Thanks so much!

Meleah87 307 — I think it’s time to accept the inevitable. As of late.. it almost feel inappropriate.

I’m WAY too embarrassed … there is a limit to everything.

I wish him all the best…and hope his fanbase doesn’t outgrow him. For ME.. yeah… I’m done. Disney and Nick Jr. WIN !!!

Even my 22 year old daughter said from the start of AI.. that she liked him…he was just too young… well thanks to the marketing… she ended up being dead on the money. As did all the critics that refused to take him as a serious artist. Instead of proving them all wrong… they’ve been proven right. The road less traveled doesn’t earn as much cash I guess.

Poor kid… he deserved better. Teeny Boppers…are short lived.

#317 – hI realmusiclover – I don’t think we have cynics here; we have a group of people who are all captives of David’s talent and everyone has a different sense (some differences are vast and some small) of how that talent will unfold.

So, like you, I believe his talent will unfold as it was meant to be, not as I may wish. I am more tolerant of twists and turns and I expect highs and lows. What we usually are is a group that debates and tolerates different opinions. See I don’t essentially agree with rascals last 3 threads and I haven’t agreed with others in the past, but it is ok for me to post and be different because that is one of the cornerstones of ND. Just have to be respectful of everyone else. Sometimes I mess up and get taken to the woodshed! — see rascal’s dream thread from months ago

Angelica #292, ((((hugs))))

Ah BJ,
Don’t think for a second that I don’t recognize that the truth is being spoken here. I’m not thrilled about the direction things are going right now, either. And Hannah Montana? Definitely not happy about that one! But, I know from my own experience that truth can be delivered in different ways, and I’ve hurt people I love with my own tongue and sarcasm. I’ve had to do some soul-searching on occasion to see if there is a better way and to think through the consequences of my actions before I take them.

That’s all I’m advocating here.

And though all of this could be damaging to his career in the short term (or maybe even longer), I believe one day we will all look back on it and roll our eyes while we clink our glasses to toast his amazing career years from now.
I have absolutely nothing to back that statement up with but simple faith, renewed nearly every time I hear him sing. I truly hold fast to a belief that it’s meant to be for him.

Before we all take nose dives off the Golden Gate Bridge lets reserve some judgment until we have had the time to experience his concerts to see how much of an impact these “young” activities will make on his performances. There may be some discomfort for awhile but we all faithfully promised to go the distance with our David.

Isn’t it just too ironic that all of this stuff has blasted us in the face at the same time. I wonder if the younger fans had a hard time when David was performing at the Christmas venues and the shows weren’t geared to their age bracket?

Remember, if you dare, the Video of David singing Crush in the flower shop. Hopefully this, too, will disappear as gracefully.

Chenson, I’m with you. I have loyally supported the David decisions but I do not understand the logic behind this one. Everything “Hannah Montana” has made me squirm for a long time.

Chenson – why is it one step too far? What’s the difference between iCarly and Hannah Montana in all reality?

BJ #311 “Blind adoration and praise from sycophants is nice. But sometimes the truth is more powerful.”

The residents of this blog resemble that statement.

p.s. It’s “sycophants” or if you want to be snarky “psychophants”

Just playin’…sorta’

Meleah87…

I can’t answer for Chris but I’ll express my discomfort. I’ve rarely watched the show and sadly, the Disney channel’s sitcoms aren’t among my favorites. But, for me it has more to do with the activities of its young star. I was horrified that they closed down Disneyland to have a birthday party for the lass, good gracious shes only 16, a very mediocre singer, and a ham of an actress. She dresses like she is 30 when she hits the red carpet, she overdoes every guest gig she gets, and her family allows her much older boy friend to share their home. I’m not a prude, far from it, but the fact that she has her own “house” on the family estate is a little over the top for me. Maybe its all gossip and press but it still makes me feel uncomfortable, and I would have really preferred if David would have avoided the whole Disney route.

Kizzi #322: Agreed. But, it is the vituperation that disconcerts, however.

I think nothing will be made of these appearances except more young fans…which leads to more sales…which leads to superstardom……………
Remember what Paula said….”destined for superstardom”? Although, I don’t like these kinds of appearances, it seems quite strange to me that I am still excited to see David on tv…ugh…even if it is Hannah Montana. So…what does that say about the effect he has on people? The fact that the young and OLD will sit thru a Nickelodeon or Disney show just to see and hear him….pretty amazing guy if ya ask me! LOL!

As for the bowing thing…I will never do!! He can’t make everyone happy with every move he makes, cut hiim some slack. When he sings mature songs the younger people don’t like it, when he sings pop songs, the older fans don’t like it. So what is the guy to do………

just keep being David!

Think lyrics to “Imagine” This is the heart of David and what type of music he really loves. Songs with meaning and wanting to inspire and help others.

Am LMAO re David’s announcement of his next guesting. Am sorry guys but this is turning out to be a relentless comedy of errors. David really has that knack to surprise, no?

As to who will benefit the more, here is how I see the equation: Each will bring in what wanting in the other: Miley for quantity & form. David, the quality & substance.

OK, ALL TOGETHER NOW:This too shall pass… This too shall pass… This too shall pass… This too shall pass…

HAPPY – I think we need the paddles now, more than ever!

ANGELICA – Hey, don’t be too hard on yourself. None of us here is immune to certain bouts of… folly? lapses? Esp me, for sure I think. it’s another indication of ODD. haha. My hats off to you. Am a proud person myself, so I know writing that wasn’t easy.

TESS – the issue on disrespecting other fansites goes both ways. Even those from other fansites who suddenly post here are guilty of downing themselves. For why would they acquiesce to such notion and be defensive about it on the basis of something they read here? That is one thing that I respect in ND. Its identity is clear, solid and unwavering.

KIZZI – yes another tipping point but in this case I would say the point would be forked

Let me reiterate my outlook on ND — I take all sentiments, opinions and inanities posted here as coming from a position of love and concern for David and his artistry. It is just a matter of choosing how we express that love & concern.

Now… have to go back to work!

Tess — I was homeschooled all my life, and I’m a well adjusted adult. I was raised in a religious home, and I was “sheltered”. My point: I don’t think any of you know David well enough to make comments on his emotional maturity.

Hello, I don’t know if this comment will get overlooked or not, after 300 messages I had a hard time reading through them..but I will give it a chance anyhow..

First off, this is the 2nd time I’ve posted here, the first time was was when Rascal made the beautiful video with SOT..it touched my heart, it got me off my feet and and started reaching out to people to have them hear and see this video, also at the same time it just gave me some peace..David normally can do that alone with his music, ut being a military spouse and having a husband deployed for the 3rd time, it just gave me a great boost..since that time, I continued in my reaching out and supporting David, normally i just stayed in a bubble, and did most of the supporting online where I was comfortable, but my oldest son who is 11 said to me, let’s go out promoting, letting people know about David, it will be fun..well, we’ve done it before, but with his cds, with adults, but he said let’s go to the mall and gift David’s music, so we do this with 2 adults and 5 children, all ages between 3-12 to gifting David’s music(single, Cds)and made a day of it..there is this passion in my children’s eyes like you wouldn’t ever believe, something that is so unexplainable..it’s not a star struck feeling, because honestly there really isn’t hardly anyone out there in the entertainment world that is a good model, so here comes David, and he is that and much more..

I could go on for days about this, I have gone on for days, I’ve met a lot of wonderful people because of David, and then there are people I wished I wouldn’t have come across, and no they weren’t Cook fans, some were David fans, when we met him at an afterparty this last summer on the Idol tour, I was so so happy that my boys were able to meet him, but there were some really arrogant people who were so pushy and wanted the the attention..I drove 8 hrs with 3 boys to see him live, and it was most memorable experiences for us..not only because of David, but because of our journey along the way, my boys and I felt hope, that we could get through the hard times, that after many deploymentst that dad was on, was that we would be making these sacrifices together, we would get through this..

So, why am I rambling on..why did I share this with you..because I am happy that David came into our lives, and I will not question the direction of TeamDavid because I know he is well taken care of, I know he brings others joy and I trust in decisions that are made are not in my control, his career and choices are not my concern..my concern is for his voice, and that it’s reached out to the world, so that connection that my family and I have with David is that he has helped us through very trying times, and I will support him every step of the way. David doesn’t have to limit himself, he has a very diverse fanbase…and I hope people can accept and enjoy, because he doesn’t look unhappy to me:)

BTW, it’s because of David that my boys will be helping out and getting others to help out in charities that he supports..