Please God no. Not a lunch box. One to be clearanced out at 1.99 at the end of the year.
Are you listening Jive?

Love the graphics, Rascal – if only as visual affirmation of your worst fears of this Jive marketing strategy.

I’ve already stated my position in the previous thread, so I’ll wait to see what others say before adding more of my $0.02.

Did you catch David’s latest version of the SSB?

I too love the graphics…and completely concur with your sentiments.. oh the humanity.

Stay strong…stay the course… there HAS to be a point where David and/or Jeff say enough.

He’s too agreeable ?

No isn’t an option ?

Could he really believe this is the only road to success?

How long do you think this contract is for?

Rascal – PLEASE say it isn’t so!

That is why I made a little rant towards the end of the last thread. Most of the new artists with Grammy Noms have an average age of around 21. Except for the JoBros these artists aren’t seen in parking lots performing while an announcer reads a lunch menu. Heck – they aren’t even buzzed about as much as David yet the industry seems to acknowledge their talents.
I cringed last night on ICarly when they kept showing the fans waiting to hear Crush. None of then seemed to be older teens.
I really hope his management or label peruses this site for how we see David being marketed and take corrective action before he is stereotyped as ONLY a teen heartthrob.

I AGREE, I AGREE, I AGREE! UGH!

I love you Rascal. I always feel so misunderstood until you echo my thoughts. The Icarly thing was a grave mistake.

David needs to realize what course he wants to take and assert that NOW. Otherwise, this is going nowhere.

Love, ya Rascal!

I wonder sometimes if David knows half of what goes on around him. i remember seeing a video of him seeing the Fan Magazine for the first time and he knew nothing about it. Shame on someone.

Ghastly is the word, Happy. But just so as you don’t think I am ignoring you or your pleas… If I don’t leave it up for sufficient enough time, certain people who may need to see it may not…

This is part of one of my posts on the last thread..

“So fast-forward to now..even though David is asking us to tune in to iCarly now, if he had been approached to do the iCarly show NOW, today, would he agree? I’m not so sure. I think David is realizing that he really does appeal to more than just the little tweens & young teens, that we are not the “fickle” AI fans who will go on to another AI contestant”.

WHAT CAN WE DO? How can we change the course David is taking or being taken on..especially when other fansites are gushing all over the iCarly thingy and think the mall & radios gigs are all so freaking great, and think David is just the most adorkable human being ever born holding the stuffed animals, and must never be photographed with anyone who is not fully clothed, lest David get tempted??

WHAT CAN WE DO? There must be something we can do!!

Ready to add my $0.02…

So, do you think Jive is possibly multi-tasking – courting the 10 year olds while targeting the mature crowds by having David sing at the Pro-Bowl? It’s the last game of the football season, and while it wasn’t the Superbowl, I think it’s cool that he follows that event – where Jennifer Hudson took the honors – with his own take on the NA.

I guess where I get puzzled is, David had filmed the iCarly episode way before his album debuted and before he made his national appearances in the wake of promoting his album. During that time, he appeared on the major talk show/variety show circuit, he was the last musical guest on TRL, he appeared on VH1, he appeared on the Latino version of MTV, he was at the Jingle Balls. You know, he appeared in a way that gave me hope Jive was putting him out their for a universal audience – from tweens/teens to adults.

This season is downright schizophrenic. One minute he’s doing these little gigs here and there, next minute he’s at the Latino Inauguration Ball. Another time, we see him at the Sundance Film Festival (places where we expect mature audiences). The next, he’s performing in pizza parlor. Then, he’s on iCarly.

But then again, they pull this solo tour thing that just doesn’t fit with a tween marketing campaign. First, why would David be performing nationally in the middle of a school year when there are no major holidays in between (Feb-March)? Second, why are most of his performances on a school night? And, third, why is his solo tour not in the summer when all the tweens will be out of school?

The solo tour is designed for the convenience of an audience older than tweens. So, what is their focus really?

I’m one of those who said they need to market David for simultaneous markets, but I think one can come up with a main strategy that has a wide-reaching effect. I guess what makes me uneasy about the management is it seems quite sloppy. For me, it’s not even about whether or not there’s a financial strategy to have David appearing in pizza parlors or at the Pro-Bowl. It’s about his image. It’s about his public persona.

Nowhere in these multiple appearances are they even attempting a solid persona that says, This is David Archuleta – the Voice and the Soul. Granted, his vocal prowess speaks for itself (hello? Did we not just hear him at the Pro-Bowl?). But, his different appearances don’t always cohere to this one important message. We know who David is, but have Jive figured out what it is they want to package first and foremost?

Obviously, they’re fascinated with the gift wrapping on the gift they’ve been given. I’d just like them to actually open it and discover the realm gem inside – The Voice.

HG: Perfect!

OH No No No. I stopped in quick to check in before I go off to visit my nephew. I was out and about all day in this beautiful weather—Tell me please Rascal–Those are not real lunchboxes please please.
Rascal get a team going. Pull all the great insightful bloggers together–Employ them to UTAH Our hero must be saved. Stop him please.
I hope I can drive without crying. I feel like Elvis died all over again!. Please tell me that was your creation Rascal
and that we still have a chance.
I will check back later–May God be with us all!

Thinking of it more, Jive’s marketing doesn’t make sense. It confuses me. Last year, he did the rounds on Ellen and other shows for older audiences, did the Jingle Balls….and now he is doing very low-key venues for a much younger audience.

I’m just going to express my thoughts. I may be totally wrong (I know little about the music industry), but here goes: Do you think they ran out of money and now must do things on the cheap? Did they blow through his advance already?

Freo, I agree that part of the marketing problem is David’s youthful, “clean” personality. But this wouldn’t be as much of an issue if he was being marketed as a “young artist” first (focus on performance, album artistry, vocal prowess) rather than “teen star.” This is why sometimes I really do wonder if the “pop” direction really was the right path to choose. I would have loved to see him take an approach more like when Norah Jones or Alicia Keys came on the scene. Do you remember either of them being interviewed or making appearances on goofy shows? All I remember from when they first came on the scene was all the buzz about their talent, and their beautiful performances.

HG and Freo – for all we know this split personality is probably why they want to cover all their bases. Music-wise – David is a human jukebox (just look at the artists he mentions on his blogs) Social wise – David seems as young as they come. How many child-oriented programs or movies he counts as his favs. In the same way – just look at how he was dressed for his tv appearance and contrast that with his fireside chat ones.
Maybe his boy-man personality warrants this split approach to marketing? Are they as confused as we are sometimes at this enigma he presents? Until someone in his camp gets wind of this post just what are we to do? David has said himself that he dosen’t read blogs on the fansites. IDK what to say at this point – Just thinking aloud……

Don’t be surprised if someone is lurking as we “speak”, will take the lunchbox literally..get all excited and spread the “good news” about a David lunchbox..YAY!!

OMG..I’m gonna be sick again!!

Just looking at those pictures of David on a lunchbox made me cringe. I sincerely hope those visuals aren’t a sign of things to come–even knowing that the Beatles (and probably Elvis) were once on a lunch box doesn’t make me feel any better. Is this David’s future–posing with stuffed animals and plastering his face on everything from notepads to lunch receptacles? One day he’s doing something that we can understand and accept ( VH1, TRL, talk shows, Jingle Balls, etc.) and a few days later he’s doing somethat that’s obviously geared to 6th-graders. What is Jive thinking?

Maybe another label would treat him with more respect–maybe not. How much of this publicity is David doing because he HAS TO and how much of it is simply his choice? His management can’t seem to make up their minds how they want to market him. It’s like they’ve adopted the idea that “anything goes” as long it generates publicty and makes money. Who cares if you lose your self-respect in the process?

Is David allowed to put his foot down concerning how he is “marketed”? If not, he’s really screwed, he’ll be yanked in every direction doing all kinds of stupid things to keep his name/face before the public. I don’t see how he’s enjoying everything he does; only some of it.

And there’s absolutely nothing us fans can do about all this as far as I can tell except voice our frustrations and worry about David’s future. Maybe the tour will help. It certainly can’t hurt.

Freo – I do think they are trying to improve radio airplay and in order to do this they are doing all those appearances in the hopes that these stations who have ignored David give him a chance. In the “pop” world, airplay is still very important in generating album sales. I think they looked at where “Crush” wasn’t played but where they thought appearances could have an effect, and tried out the Florida strategy. The bigger question though is, why are so many stations hesitant to play him? I think it goes back to the image/personality thing. It seems like you have to be edgy, sexy, or perform with major bravado/confidence to be taken seriously in pop today.

rascal- did you photoshop that lunch box ensemble (like the brownie mix) just to make a point? please tell us the truth, the more I look at it, the more I think I missed the joke (which in and of itself pains me)… you’re having a little fun with us, aren’t you?……

(I am serious…please respond, I beg you.)

I forgot to say I think they are even worse than the lunchbox/thermos. (If that’s possible.)

maggie37- I have not looked at snarkey’s but nothing can be worse than the lunchbox…

rascal, you got me good…I believed in the lunchbox once upon a time, but now that I am older and wiser and over my panic attack I can clearly see you photoshopped…. that was not nice…. but you made your point…but I still think it is more about taste. What would be so bad about a tastefully designed Mozart lunchbox?

HG – I’m brainstorming….

This situation reminds me a little of the movie “Ma Vie en Rose” about the life of Edith Piaf. (if you haven’t seen it, I highly recommend this movie!). Edith was a young orphan, left by her father to grow up in a brothel. As a young woman she would sing on the street corner in Paris for money. One day an influential music executive discovered her. When discovered, her talent was enormous but raw. I loved how the movie showed how her manager really took her under his wing. He helped he learn what to wear, how to hold her hands when she sings, choosing the right songs, all this helped make her a star and gave her an amazing command of the audience. In the end Edith became a legend. I guess what I’m saying is the right management can make all the difference.

One other thought – David could do something unexpected to challenge popular perceptions about him…get people talking and question the truth of his image. One great PR move can do this. After hearing him sing all these impromptu hip hop songs, I thought, how amazing would it be if he actually sang the chorus of a new hip hop track for someone like T Pain, Kanye or eminem (who has a new album out and has done similar things with Elton John and Dido).

But back to Rascal’s point…this is really all up to David. He deserves so much more than this, and he should know that.

I agree with LittleMushroom: the focus should have always been “young artist” not “teen artist” when it comes to David all along.

But, you know, AI spun the tale, and now Jive is running with it.

And, honestly, I can’t believe they’re going this tweeny route – Jonas Brothers dominates this market, period. It’s like setting David up to fail b/c if he doesn’t measure up to their success, it will be easy to drop him. Especially since it’s not like they’ve recognized his talent, only his appeal.

Can we start a Rescue David Archuleta viral video campaign? Or maybe not. The Archies have already gotten such a bad wrap, we don’t want to make enemies. This might hurt David more…

That’s IT!! That must be it! Is this an obvious strategy to get away from the “aggressive” Arch angels fanbase (b/c we have built that reputation so far)? Who better to court than non-threatening 10 year olds? I wonder if this is a whole attempt at cultivating a brand new fanbase that’s safe and easy to make money off of?

B/c the Archies are already here – no way would they have ever gotten the impression from Archies and Archangels that this particular tween marketing strategy was the way to go. Do they think our “fanaticism” will keep us on board while they ignore us as they take this new direction?

David wants to be a pop singer but does the genre respect him enough for his vocal and musical abilities? – it remains to be seen.

Hi, all! Long-time listener, first-time caller…

As an thirty-something fan since the beginning, I appreciate the utter love and serious level of discourse in this forum. I too cringed at the stuffed puppy pics and slightly at the iCarly episode…but I’m less uncomfortable with the the seeming inanity of those endless radio promos, and here is why:

I worry that, without displaying a level of spontaneity — including spontaneous singing, which is as natural to David as breathing — he’ll be perceived once again as a bit robotic (or controlled). I think that Idol perception is being shrugged off in every new appearance, to his benefit. (One of the reasons that I have a hard time “connecting” with Beyonce is that she is always “on” and uber-slick, in every public appearance: performing, interviewing, or what have you.) I think David and his team are being very shrewd as far as these are concerned.

I think that the trouble is that Jive is casting an incredibly wide net, and that there are times when one group or another is going to feel neglected or disappointed. For example, singing “When You Say You Love Me” on tour clearly seemed geared toward the older fans, and not just because it showed off his vocal ability…it’s simply also not a teen song. (Side note: Josh Groban, if you haven’t seen it, does a great send-up of his image in the “I’m F@#%ing Ben Affleck” sketch. I thought this was absolutely brilliant on his part, marketing-wise, for a younger crowd.)

I know that there is a difference between sheer silliness and humilation, but I do trust that David is able to speak up for himself before the latter occurs.

Thanks for reading…you guys are a good bunch, and I love reading this. (Hi, Rascal!)

Bliss..I buh-lieve you miss the point, at least as far as I can see it..those STARS you mention that had their faces on lunchboxes were ALREADY superstars..didn’t have the danger of being derailed cuz they had already ARRIVED!

BTW..my son stll has his Beatles lunchbox..

SF, I agree. Lunch boxes should come AFTER David has blown up into an international megastar, not while he’s climbing. That would kill any cool points he’d be able to muster.

That said, I like LM’s suggestion of a hip-hop collaboration where David gets to lend his vocals to some new track put out by T.I.or Kanye. Sure, it would seem incongruous (except not really – if Jayze can sample “It’s a Hard Knock Life” from the Annie musical and make that into a megahit rap song, David’s voice can be be used on a hip-hop track), but that would give him some “edge” and a chance to look like he’s a genuine musician who could work with anyone in the industry.

I also agree with the Edith Piaf example (I saw the movie) and how David could do with some good sound management. Actually, I just want him to get the right hookup with the right producer-collaborator. The music is what’s going to get David taken seriously, period.

The one good thing about musicians – versus actors – is that music artists transform themselves ALL THE TIME. David is still young enough and has the years (I’m waiting 7-10 yrs, right Happy?) to grow out of this.

I was afraid to log back in ..that lunchbox is too horrifying..

I think it was freo that brought up the venues… does anyone know the strategy behind that ?

It’s a catch 22, I mean.. if the iCarly thing is trying to open up the demographics of the “younger younger” set.. why would all his upcoming dates be on school nights?

They didn’t leave enough time between venues to add any shows.. NJ sold out in 20 minutes.. and that’s the only venue IN New Jersey..and only holds 2200 people.

Does anyone know if he has a bus..or are they flying him from place to place. I’ve looked at the overall schedule on this thing, and they barely give him enough time between states to shower and sleep for a few hours.

I’ve got my tickets for Sayerville and WIlliamsville. The Williamsville show will take me out of town for 3 days, and the travel and hotel accomodations will cost me 5 times more than I paid for the tickets.

Not complaining… AT ALL.. I’m excited about Williamsville..such a small venue.. GREAT for me.. I don’t know about David though.

HG..7-10 YEARS???? Did you say YEARS? Easy for YOU & HAPPY to wait!! I may not have that luxury…but there is that “doll” idea..one who will sing to me and I don’t mean the 12″ one…hmmmm??

Nah..David would never go for it!

Bliss..we could go round & round about it..but fact is, David has not reached superstardom yet and I do not wish to see his beautiful face on a lunchbox yet, actually maybe never..but that’s just me.

I lknow my son’s lunchbox is valuable, and could be more so ‘cept he lost the thermos that goes with it. He also has two of the original Starwars lunchboxes..he will never part with them..and he’s a grown man!

Bliss – many former teen idols have been derailed from ever being taken seriously due to appearing on lunchboxes, sleeping bags, etc. Some examples I can think of are David Cassidy, Leif Garrett, Donny Osmond (I love him, but still..), and NKOTB. How talented any of these teen idols may or may not have been isn’t the point, it’s the over-exposure in this type of format which can become problematic and career-defining

I think Elvis and The Beatles are outliers…

Geez Rascal, is this your version of Shock and Awe? Well, mission accomplished.

Remember when David yanked off his earphones and threw them away from himself in horror??? Well, looking at that image makes me want to rip my monitor out of the wall and toss it across the room!

For the love of all that’s holy, Rascal, please take that image down! Can’t we have this discussion without that dreadful representation looming over us?

It’s not that I disagree with you, I’m just afraid it will get into enemy hands and be exploited.

My eyes!!! My eyes!!!

Hi all,

Rascal, I agree with what your saying. He has many fans that are older like me.

My husband teases me about him being so young. However he is was marketed to very young girls so it is hard for them to take him seriously because they don’t take the time to know him like we do, so they just set this image that he has now not has an artist of some consequence.

How we can the word out to Jeff or Jive records?

I confess that for months now I have averted my eyes whenever passing Miley’s face on a lunch box in stores. I would secretly implore, please God, don’t let that happen to him! It would be amusing if it weren’t so probable.

They are grooming him to be a pop star based mostly on his looks, and marketing him to children.

His voice is secondary to their plans. His longevity as a star are immaterial to them. I truly believe they do not regard him as a viable commodity in the present music industry for very long. Once he outgrows the tweens, who they feel are on his emotional level, he’s gone. So…get in…make the bucks…get out.
This attitude on the part of management and label are partly influenced by David’s personality. He must find a way to project the fact that he is a serious artist, or risk unpacking his dreams from a lunch box with his face on it.

“When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man I put away childish things.”

Monk, bail out this boat.

Has anyone noticed the POSITIVE comments being posted about David’s Pro-Bowl performance? Here’s one, and he’s gaining some new fans in the process!
I LOVE YOU, DAVID!

” ggdoorsfan
Feb 8th, 2009 at 5:52 pm

David has no peer vocally in singing live, or singing acapella. He just sang a version of the SSB that rivals any critically acclaimed version of it done – move over Jennifer and Whitney, make room for David.

Whatever nerves he may have expressed in the week leading up to this stunning performance were vanquished the instant he opened his mouth. His confidence was evident, he was in utter vocal control, but allowed himself the artistic license to add some licks and runs that are uniquely David, without detracting from the song.

He is head and shoulders above the rest of the pack in his ability to deliver time and time again live, and in the clutch. What his fans have known and championed about his vocal genius was just unleashed upon a 40 million viewer audience, in its natural and undoctored state, and those who may still refuse to believe he’s that good are going to be in a very lonely minority after today. BRAVO DAVID ARCHULETA.”

#60 persimmon, I just read your post and I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY. I was a major lurker too from the beginning and lately I am getting depressed over all this negativety. I just wish we had more positive things to talk about espeially when it comes to DAVID (who repeatedly states we can choose to focus on the negative or we can choose to focus on the positive).
I know we all love him and are frustrated at times but it’s just too much, just too much. Sorry, only my opinion.

Angelica – I agree

Awestruck – LAF – the Loving Archie Forum

I just got some more info about his international dates:

The arrangement for the part of Barriers that will be different is coming from Jeff. Apparently, he has taken part of the song and built it up to where it just explodes to the audience.

Also, When David travels in April, he will be there for two weeks so he will be visiting other countries in that area as well.

juliebug – thanks

Well, I think I’m going to watch the GRAMMY’s now and yes, I will be missing David being there but I will be thinking of how next year he could not only be performing at the Grammy’s but be nominated for one.

Michael Johns is at the Grammys…and he most assuredly was NOT invited…

See what I was talkin’ about?? David should be there too! Where all the music world’s who’s who are as well as people like Micheal Johns..hahaha!

Yay! J-Hud wins first award for the night! David will be proud. I am too!

BTW, does JR know David is planning a trip to the Philippines?

SF, David’s in Hawaii, where the sun is shining. He’s happy there. Let’s be happy for him.

I have never in my life watch the whole Grammys thing. So loud and not good for the innocent eyes…

pabuckie and persimmon- I don’t see it that way…

one- reality does not equal negativity. I am realistic, not negative. I like to philosophize, that’s my nature. And I have seen enough of life to know that the best do not always finish first, to know that networking and image is critical in any career, that good luck is important, that having good people around you will make or break you, that one decision can change a life, and so can one lottery win… no hand wringing on my part.. what is, is; and what will be, will be….. but, there are never guarantees in life, so don’t be lulled into false confidences.

two- I think it is fun to think about stuff and to read other people’s take on things… that’s why I participate in this blog… a blog about an artist…. I love art and the thoughts it provokes in me. I enjoy the interaction and I enjoy how it has enriched my life on a personal level. This blog allows for a forum where individuals can impact the lives of other individuals in seemingly small ways that ultimately lead to a larger connection. I don’t mistake any of this as important or pain staking in the grand scheme of the universe. The sun will still rise and set. There are people starving and dying and living in darkness, loneliness, and despair; there is genocide and evil in the world and our little fun with David and his lunch box horror, and his pizza parlors and parking lots, and his piano playing and his stylist and his morning voice is just that… entertaining discussion about fun stuff…sheesh!….

now, about those piano hands…..

going to watch the grammys….

PS- rascal- have i told you lately that I love you?….

David looks happy all the time – I don’t think he’s sad about where his career is going and I’m happy for him.

HAPPY – I too like to philosophize and also read everyone’s take on a subject. However, with the marketing stradegies debate it seems to be going around in circles… with relatively no offers of suggestions for improvement to initiate fresh discussion(I know next to nothing on the subject otherwise I would put forth). To boot we really do NOT know exactly what David, or his Dad, has agreed to do or not to do… see my post at #50

Loved the Pro-Bowl SSB. Different version from the others he’s sung. Powerful…chills!

Some are lamenting the hand-wringing and calling this negativity. I see all this as love and concern, and maybe a heads-up to those in charge. We only want David to be cared for, with his best interests at heart.

Bliss at #46 said “David is so talented that he will find his level at the top.” I agree. I’m guessing that the conversation here will change once the solo tour begins. I’m anticipating some gushing!!! (Do ya think???)

Oh – and I’m still looking for two VIP tickets to Idaho Falls. You can contact me through rascal’s contact page. Merci!!

David was in high school last year and didn’t think he’d make it as far as he did on American Idol. I think he’s very grateful for everthing so far. He enjoyed the Florida promos and everything he does. So do I.
He’ll do bigger and better things in time. I just like focusing on the positive and David always puts a smile on my face no matter where he is or what he’s doing. He’s not fading or going anywhere.

#94 Silverfox unfortunately I am waiting patiently for David to someday return to NYC so I can see him. Hope he does but waiting is killing me. I have yet to hear him sing LIVE and really want to. I met him at the CD signing at the Virgin megastore and got his autograph but was so taken by him that I forgot everything I ever wanted to say and just saw him for like 30 seconds. I forgot to even shake his hand, can you believe that? I forgot to TOUCH HIM!!

#96 Bluebarsa – so where do I find CHENSEN post?

I dont get this. Here we have a group of adults (im assuming most people that post here are adults) passing judgment on a TV show that is not aimed at them. iCarly is not aimed at 10 year olds. It may be watched by some 10 year olds, but its definitly more of a teen program and you would be surprised at how many older teens actually watch it too. Your assertions rascal seem to be more of an angry rant than a logical judgment.

I think there are some straight facts here that some people need to come to terms with. The core of Davids fanbase is teen girls – fact. If Jive wanna make the most out of David, they arent going to go putting him on shows that the majority of his fanbase wont even watch. Sure us Adults would love to see him on something more adult like, I dunno, CSI or something but we have to accept that, for now, we are the outsiders here. Yes David has alot of fans from different ages, backgrounds and races but it still remains that teenage girls are davids demographic as of now. Rascal, you seem scared of that.

The thing that winds me up is the expectation. I sense an impatience, a desire to see David become an adult long before he actually becomes one (im talking maturity not physical age) and so much of what I see is constant demands in that area and unfair ones at that. Sure, iCarly doesnt appeal to me either but heck its not for me so im not gonna!

David is only 18 and until he becomes a fully fledged, non-teen, ’serious artist’ then im afraid this is the way its gonna be. Only then can we ‘enjoy’ the marketing he receives cos right now its not for us. So sit back and enjoy the ride, be patient and let him grow. His adult time will come.

#101 and #102 Chenson
ALL I CAN SAY IS “AMEN” i I agree wholeheartedly.

I understand it’s concern for David but if we can’t do anything about it, I guess all you can do is vent and this certainly is the place. I just know as he gets older things will change and get better for his older more mature fans but for now the younger ones I think are in control right now.

Just read online that Rihanna and Chris Brown both pulled out of the Grammy’s tonight because Brown is under investigation for an assault against a woman, who may have been Rihanna. If it’s true, sounds like there was some relationship violence going on.

I know that people can keep things under wraps, but I have wondered what kinds of things that David saw backstage on the Jingle Bash tour.

I think iCarly is either the most watched cable show for tw/eens or almost the most-watched show. I know my daughter watches it. She is 13 and neither young or old for her age. I remember watching the Monkees at about that age. More pure silliness.

David’s sales have spiked nicely on iTunes since the airing. Some of these choices may be about exposure. I’m sure David presents quite the conundrum, because he is neither here or there.

CHENSON – just read your latest post… YOU give me chills with your words. Thanks!

persimmon #85 ..I’m not sure I know what you mean by..

“So loud and not good for the innocent eyes…”
about the Grammys

Are you speaking for yourself or David? Cuz David’s concerts can get pretty loud when you take the screaming into account..and as for “innocent”, well I can’t comment on that cuz I don’t KNOW, but it’s not like David hasn’t already been exposed up close to what you see at the Grammys..

Chenson – just read your post and blog. Yaaaay for you too. Love those positive vibes! You have a gift with words!

Maybe we can sell balogna sandwiches outside David’s tour venues and put the money towards buying him some new help. (Jus lookin at the positive)

Hey marlie…are u local…or are you taking vacation to see this event. I’m more excited about this one cause it’s super intimate… 800 people..and from what I can tell ..this may be a one level venue..whereas Sayerville is mutliple levels.

do you want to begin to legitimize a teen pop group?… have them perform with Stevie Wonder to Superstition, and don’t forget to remind the audience that Stevie was once a teen star… well not really… he was more of a star that was a teen…

Chenson101- the brash of youth……

HG120- love you.

JR #118 ~ I copied that post from Snarky’s ~ reposting it in full below ~ and YES, exciting news for YOU! Sounds true to me, but what do I know! (originally came from LAF)

this is from a poster on LAF:

“Ok, I saw a post about David singing 15 songs on his tour. This week I had a chance to talk with David and Jeff, and yes, David is every bit the most HUMBLE and KIND young man anyone will ever meet. David is going to be singing 15 songs on tour. Yes, he will be singing Waiting For Yesterday, and Barriers! But guess what, Barriers will have a brand new arrangement for part of the song that David will be unveiling for the tour. For all of you who want David to sing Desperate on the tour, I have to say that it will not be one of the songs in his set. David is also planning on going to the Philippines in April. So there you have it.”

thanks, jabkmc!

Pro Bowl SSB:
GAH in Heaven!

Since we can’t DO anything about the marketing let’s focus on the ARTISTRY then.

HG #120 – one of your more eloquent posts! Thanks!

I see rascal as trying to enhance our appreciation of David’s work. I am consistently grateful for his independent voice.

There’s plenty of gushing out there. We need rascal to anchor us hyperbolic fans and bring some perspective to the discussion. Who else in Archletaworld does this, and does it with such devotion to David and his artistry?

pabuckie127- we were focusing on the artistry …didn’t love the piano playing, didn’t love the sloppy casual jeans image (image is a part of artistry), weren’t loving the parking lot venues…

ALWAYS love the voice, the face, the smile, the joy…..

I get it – a lot of people are frustrated – but I believe things will get better in time. Not to worry. It will all work out in the end.

OMG! MIA is sooo wrong for that maternity outfit! ha ha!

chenson – Chris, good to see your opinion. I am in agreement. The sky hasn’t fallen.

happy – OMG, too funny!

happy, liz..you guys are too much! But you’re right!

Let’s see..I’ve watched David sing the SSB 15 times now and I get chills each and every time…FOD has screen caps of his performance & David is absolutely beautiful!
No other words to describe him..he’s just beautiful!

rascal must be watching the Grammys!? hahaha! OR, could he be watching the Grammys?? Maybe?

Oh well, Good night all! For David..

Dear Lord, Though we are unworthy to ask,
Please take Care Of David. Watch over him, Protect him from all harm. Cloak him with your love and give him the strength to endure all that is thrown in his path. Give David the courage and guidance to say no to those who ask for more than he can reasonably give. Surround David with loving and supportive people who love him UNCONDITIONALLY as we, his Archangels do. Separate David from those who have agendas other than for his well being. Give him rest when he’s weary. Give him stamina to sustain his hectic pace. Give him assurance when he feels doubt. Give him joy when he feels sad. Cloak him always in your protective arms. Keep David and HIS VOICE healthy & strong as he fulfills his Destiny which was written in his Book of Life before he was born.
Though we may be unworthy, we humbly pray.
Amen.

Sweet dreams! Be safe & secure in our love always! Take care. You will always be numero uno in our eyes! Thank you for all you do and for just being you!
CONTIGO SIEMPRE CON AMOR!

Omigosh Rascal, just got in (thrilled that I got to sneak a peek at David’s amaaaaaazing SSB at someone else’s house!) and your Archie lunch set has sparked 138 comments already? LOL

I’ve already declared I’m done with hand-wringing so I’ll just quickly say, hurray for Chenson #101 and Bliss #46 “Talent finds it’s level, and David is so talented that he will find his level at the top” — yessss!

I sometimes feel we’re like those distraught kids in that YouTube video from finale night — flailing and wailing at how David’s not getting his due … meanwhile, if forged-with-titanium David could see us, he’d just smile and say, “Don’t be upset guys, I’m fine with it.” And he will be. Fine.

… and Rascal, we here know the point you’re making with that lunch box but the marketers I know would take one look and say, “Brilliant! Let’s run with it!” … so caveat bloggor ….

I’ve been a fan of David’s since STAR SEARCH and will continue to be on this journey with him. David will be fine and will get to that level we all want him to be at one way or another. He’s just TOO GOOD for anything less.

Persimmon — I, too visit this site regularly, but this is my first post. I find that there is a lot more UNOFFICIAL Agent-ing here and LOTS of negativity.

Rascal, I enjoy the posts, but it seems lately, you are “stirring the pot” too much (I assume to get people to post a lot) —

None of this is good for David or his career. Why can’t we all just enjoy the wonderful person he is and his talents, rather than trying to interpret the marketing strategy and see the bad side.

After reading your article earlier today, I pondered a lot on it … and yes, Elvis had a wide range of fan ages … as does David. And as somone posted earlier — he likely had lunchboxes (and as I rememer, paintings of him on Velvet) — but it NEVER brought down his image among his “true fans” —- so let’s all be true fans and ENJOY DAVID!

If any ICARLY fans get a whiff of these lunchboxes any longer it will look like we’re promoting it. HA-HA (JOKE)

I just have to report that the video on youtube with David singing I’m Yours has over 59,000 views. People just love to hear him sing!

happy #152 – you are a kind and patient and eloquent person. I love your agenda for David. (((hug)))

Just popping in to bring this over from FOD. Richard talked with David who was happy with his performance of the Anthem today. Also, Richard says David is off to do a Fireside in Honolulu. How much more amazing can this young man get? Then he will have a couple of days of R & R in Hawaii before heading to Florida — I guess for the Disneyworld thing.

BTW, Freo – I can’t find it now but sometime over a week ago Richard posted these words: “TG is done”. That’s all he said, didn’t elaborate and, thankfully, nobody asked him to.

Tawna #134 ~ thanks for noticing my post! I was just so excited about David’s performance in Hawaii, and was kinda surprised that no one had mentioned it over here on ND.

I mostly lurk or surf several other fansites. So back I go!

stenocruiser – what does “TG is done” mean?

Happy 156… that’s me too… I really can’t listen to anything or just about anyone without wondering what it would sound like if David was singing it instead.

I love all of the concern that gets expressed on this site, as well as all of the fun… I’m often lurking when you start batting the ball around and when the brownies come out, and I loved all of the nut analogies… thank you all for making me laugn and making me think!

I have to say, I think the worries expressed here are valid, but I still believe that all publicity is good, even the parking lot and mall based performances, but especially any time he is on TV. As several have mentioned, iCarly is one of the most popular teen shows out there right now, and while the acting and premise of the show is generally seems kind of silly to us more “mature” fans, it is the kind of exposure that keeps David at the forefront of the younger generations’ minds, and that is worth a lot. I have no doubt that when David puts out his next album, one which he has had the luxury of a little time and more real input into, it will showcase his talent more fully, and give him the credibility that we o.d.d. fans already know he deserves. In the meantime, working his way towards becoming a household name via shows like iCarly is not going to hurt him, imho. I’m not a fan of the Jobros, but they are good musicians (I don’t think they can sing, but they do play reasonably well), they work hard, and they’ve taken advantage of the exposure that they’ve gotten on Disney, and whether we like it or not, they are being granted credibility because, to a large extent, of their huge and rabid fanbase…which they have developed during their run on popular tween and teen TV shows.

Anyway, there’s my 2 cents, for whatever it’s worth!

And Rascal… Where do I place my order for the lunchbox? lol. I would be someone who would buy that though..

Marlie7 #161 — Well, you may have seen references to Toxic Glitter (TG), apparently someone who is close to the Archuleta family and in the past has posted gossip-type things which might or might not have had any semblance of truth. I don’t even know where it all started but TG is mentioned from time to time and I presume that someone has now put a stop to it. At least that’s what I get from Richard’s message.

Chenson – very nicely said.

pabuckie, DJA4ever etc, thanks for the support..

marlie – that is my belief, any exposure can only be good.
jason mraz fans will also check out the YT. And David sang very well indeed.

I understand the discussion was for David’s good… like chenson said he still has two years as a teenager, let him enjoy, savour his success slowly ..don’t let the pressures get to him this early. I don’t thik he is thinking that much for stardom. It is we his fans who are impatient for that. If he is really good ( which he really is ), then his talent won’t be forgotten. It is this little gimmicks and appearances that reminds people of him. People who lives normally like us. These are the people, the teenagers who will requests for him on radio, who will vote for him on any poll they could find. All thiis = exposure. Every level of his fans has a role to play. David is very special… that is why it is very depressing that some of you should look down on some of his activities. I’ve had my say for now..Have a good day?!?

stenocruiser – Thank you – I understand the reference now.

WhatJustHappened #117: thanx for the laugh! I needed it.

Good Morning All,

Valbraz and Angelica – VERY nicely said. Tough love IS necessary sometimes and this site may very well have to be the one to bear the burden of ensuring “The Voice” gets his JUST DUE amidst the cheerleading.

April Fools! You got me, Rascal. I thought the lunchbox was for real and my first thought was, “Oh crap, this is the beginning of the end of poor David’s career.” I’m so relieved it was only a facetious joke! So funny. I’ve read through all the comments here. I’m not sure I’ll make that same mistake again since I found so many to be annoying.

For those of you complaining that Rascal’s blogs are too “negative”, why do you come here? Aren’t you being negative to Rascal and those of us who voice our opinions here by complaining about us being too negative? Are there not enough other David sites out there to suit your need for only positive commentary? This is the only David site I bother with anymore because I respect Rascal’s opinions and honesty. And I’ve yet to see anyone hate on David in here. I’ve just seen a lot of unconditional love and constructive criticism that comes from wanting him to succeed. There’s nothing wrong with that.

As far as the i Carly show, I recall David mentioning once that he liked the show. Who knows, maybe he’s got a little crush on one of the girls. I thought the show was silly, but we all know David is an admitted dork, so no surprise there. He did this show because he wanted to, and he seemed to be enjoying himself, so I don’t think it damaged his reputation.

Remember he said that his first cd he wanted to focus on teenage music because that’s what he is now. Makes sense. He’s just starting out and we should remain patient with his progress. He needs to experience this at his own pace. His contribution to the creative process will increase with time and age and we’ll see more and more of him emerge with each new effort. I hope.

Paula said to David once on AI something about being so young but having an old soul. That was probably the smartest thing she ever said. And so true. It’s as though David is wise enough to realize he’s still just a kid and is enjoying being a kid while he can. It’s so refreshing compared to so many others who are in such a hurry to grow up. And then when they do grow up they long to be young again. He should enjoy each stage of his life while he’s living it so he hopefully won’t later regret anything. Oh no, it’s so late. I hope I didn’t offend anyone, I often gag myself with my foot.

I’m so glad David got to go to Hawaii, so gorgeous there. I hope he gets a chance to jump in the water, it’s so warm, even in the middle of the night. I hope someone took a picture of David standing next to all the football players, wouldn’t that be funny?

On the Grammy show tonight (last night) I thought about Justin Timberlake. He used to be a teenage idol and he’s turned out to be respectable, that teen-thing didn’t drag him down. I know his style is different than David’s, but it’s a good sign that one day David will outgrow this stage and evolve.

Long time lurker, first time poster. I have read the comments on this site for months, and have appreciated and applauded all the posters for their willingness and fearlessness to “be that voice crying out in the wilderness”, as a previous poster noted.

ND – The “tough love site,” where the artistry of David Archuleta and all relevant debate and discussion stemming from that was the primary objective. I still sense the deep love, respect and concern regarding the image and marketing strategies, I also sense what are seemingly neurotic, elitist, overly analytical and condescending overtones in some posts that feel more like the projections of “too cool for school snobs”, who feel their approach and superior knowledge and wisdom gives them the advantage over the sites disparaged as “cheerleader” .

Chenson’s post expresses my sentiments to a tee. I’m neither a teen nor tween, neither do I claim to possess a wealth of extraordinary intellectual knowledge, or industry wisdom. I’m pretty simple – just know good music when I hear it, great singers when I hear them. I may be dead and gone by the time David reaches his fullest potential artistically, but this gives me no fear, nor causes me any sadness or angst for him to hurry and become “David The Great” , before Gabriel blows his trumpet and I must leave this earth.

I am enjoying him at the cusp, the beginning of what all signs indicate will be a long and storied career. Soaking in every minute of his journey, the ups, downs, home runs and strikeouts, the iCarly episodes, the pizza parlor and mall appearances, radio interviews…. it’s all good. I enjoy watching him grow, and hone his craft. He appears to wear and bear the weight and the burden of his prodigious talent much lighter and more easily than his fans, but that doesn’t translate to me as him devaluing it.

He’s a young man, with time on his side. And I am willing to allow him the leeway to take all the time HE NEEDS to come into his own. Rembrandt at 18 hadn’t evolved into the artist that painted The Night Watch, nor had Picasso at 18 evolved into the artist that produced “Guernica – my favorite.

Clay and marble and blank canvasses have to undergo many transformations, moldings, firings, revisions etc before the end result or masterwork results evolves.. Same with David. Time is on his side.

#179 Central7980 – loved your post – my sentiments exactly. Hit it on the nail for me. Glad to see some people have the same feelings as I do.

Central 179 – Thanks for delurking. I can identify with your post. But here you don’t have to be part of the ‘in crowd’. You can still play. And it can be fun.

All sites with a positive vibe on David, and whose PTB scour the universe for links all David all the time are high ranking in my book.

Nonetheless I can’t read through 1000 comments per post to find the five that don’t read “I want to be Mrs. Archuleta” or “David I ‘heart’ you sooooooooooooooooooo much.” BTW those five substantive comments are usually visiting ND’rs. lol

Does anyone know what happened to Ronald? Aren’t finals over by now?

Rascal, good points. TG’s info isn’t always reliable and TG is not the most insightful person about David (at least as evidenced from her posts), but the info sometimes does give a glimpse of David behind the public persona.

TG loves/wants attention and I do believe we will hear from her again.

But Rascal, denying who he is right now is more destructive. Hes still a Kid. Some people get something out of those photos, it may not be us but thats because we arent who hes being marketed too and rightfully so as of now. Hes young, thats it, end of. You cant change that.

If David is going to have a successful adult career he will have to reinvent himself. The best comparison I can draw is Michael Jackson. Child MJ and adult MJ were 2 completely different things (albeit younger I know but the concept is the same). Michael Jackson had a very cutesy boy image from the Jackson 5 with very light boppy pop music. To become the mega star he became as an adult took a massive reinvention of himself. He went from putting out records such as ‘ABC’ to quite dark adult tracks such as ‘Thriller’. It was a big leap and tough one but he had the talent do it and did. If David is to be succsessful as an adult then that reinvention will have to come and can only come with age and maturity. Reputation and image is not the be all and end all of a career and it is something that can be reversed as has been in the past by many other artists. David will have to do that. But is pointless to sit here and whine about the fact that David is not what YOU want him to be right now, that will come in time.

Its funny, one of my first thoughts about David way back when was his age. I thought he wasnt ready, too young, but as AI carried on that thought drifted away. It is become more evident the burden David carries by tackling this music career at his young age and how it affects adult fans, those who see the potential but we are not the people who is being commercially geared towards as of now. That is the burden he takes on by entering the competition at 17. The problem is, so many teen stars fade away and we are fearful of that. We are fearful that we will never see him mature into the adult artist we know he can be and fulfill his potential but ultimately I take this view. After all the marketing, promotions, TV episodes, photo shoots, its the talent that matters and I firmly believe that David has that capacity to propel himself forward and reinvent his image when the time comes. That ability is crucial in the music industry for longevity. Some can do it, some cant but ultimately its down to talent that determines that. The difference between David and say, the Jonas Brothers, is David has more talent in his right toe nail. The JoBros may never be able to break their original image not because its there but because they dont have the capacity to be anything other than that Disney type.

David is not your typical teen star and he wont be a teen star forever but right now he has to milk it for whats it worth. The great thing is, his fans age with him. We have to accept him for who he is at the moment. His time will come but like I said, sit back and enjoy the ride.

Chenson – I love your posts, but want to point out one thing.

We are not talking about a David who is trying to break out of his Disney mold. We fear for a David who at times seems to by trying to break into a Disney mold. OUCH!

I don’t consider myself a rose colored glasses type personality, but I cannot see how the issues some have with David’s current marketing and image strategy are having all that negative an impact, or long term effect on his image… the attention span of the public is very short, relative to image and perception – they are easily made and broken – for sure… and they can just as easily be remade and reshaped if need be… how would the public relations and marketing industry survive if this were not so, I ask rhetorically, so Rascal won’t flame me

I appreciate the concern, and even share in some of it with you, about wanting to maximize and best leverage David’s marketing to showcase the artistry to perfection, but I don’t believe in buying trouble where there is none, either. My sampling OR observations may be small, and even insignificant, but many of my friends and associates at work (large multi national IT firm) know I am a DA fan. In our numerous discussions about him and other musical artists in vogue, never has there been any comment or observation from them about David’s being too “teen” or “teenybopperish” in his music or image.. all acknowledge him as a vocal powerhouse, hands down.

They just usually say something like they’re waiting for him to get a little age on him, some life experience under his belt so they could better connect with some of the more “mature” songs on the album….. .their disconnect w/ him at present seems to lie more in his eventual evolution into the guy who knows a little something something about lying in his lovers arms, giving a last final goodbye like in “Barriers”… there is much work to be done,, sure… many improvements to be made… you betcha…. but I think David is one with a talent that can rise above all the dreck that sometimes goes hand in hand with being in the business.

SF on #178 – Am keeping it cool right now….I will believe it when I see it When he comes here, it will be huge. The Archienoys & Architects will come in full force.

On the subject of “to lunch box or not…”

Of course, all the posts here are out of love & concern for David and his artistry. Am sure everyone will agree that it is no joke posting here. It takes effort, it slices off productive time from our real lives and it is never easy exposing our vulnerabilities. So I welcome all views and try to learn from them.

As water seeks its own level, so will David. And he will be up there, among the luminaries – if he so wishes. If he doesn’t and he is just content to have a more simple life but still play music, I will still be there to support him.

The thing is, David is meant to do this. He is meant to spread his music, his artistic genius to influence this world. Consider what he has accomplished with himself in so short a time. Look at how he has influenced change with and through his fans without him even knowing it. That’s why I believe, nothing will derail him. Patience & a little faith, guys.

BTW, we may shudder at the prospects, but yes I see his image on lunch boxes, thermos & other types of merchandising in the future. The earnings from such is nothing to sneeze at I have read somewhere. If that will help in allowing David to pursue his music in the long term, then I will have to live with it. And just be glad for that child or teen coveting such merchandise.

Our host is truly a little rascal for stirring up the pot, eh?!

And Chenson – another brilliant post.

LOL WhatJustHappened!

*crickets*

JR – Where on earth did you find that Sundance party video?! You are a true ninja!
No Jeff in sight here.

Rascal,
I appreciate you sticking to your guns, and I don’t consider it whining. These are real concerns.

I was rewatching the SSB last night and cannot believe how he sang “still there”. My teenager heard it and said “WHAT WAS THAT? THAT WAS CRAZY”
I am so glad he has a couple of days to rest and soak up the sun. It’s just what the doctor ordered.

#198/ Eye opening Tess… and validates one of my personal concerns about David’s “image”, and how Jive would attempt to address it….

Many artists would love to have this problem – people from 10 – 70 digging your music, but I bet it does pose a nightmare for those charged with crafting his image and marketing to satisfy the wide span of ages in his base….. like it or not, the “David sings songs only your Grandmother could love” is a flash point that couldn’t go ignored for too long, in a long term strategy from the PR and marketing perspective… if it takes a little bit to undo whatever damage AI may have done in this area, so be it….

Maybe the contradiction of appearances this weekend is perfect. If I wasn’t such a “David freak” I would have never known he was on iCarly. And yet, this appearance mostly certainly helped increase his popularity with the young set. And the mature fans were treated to an incredible, a capella performance of the SSB at a grown-up, widely televised event. If we get some balance, I can live with it.

Tess – 198 – thanks for the post. Interesting, especially coming from Utahns.

#189 Its funny because I think, if he wanted to, David could fit the Disney mould easily. But he wont and doesnt. His album is pop not disney pop. As for the marketing, Disney is essentially geared towards kids and young teens so there maybe a small overlap but a negligable one at that. I dnt think Jive are pushing strong in that Disney direction.

#191 100% agree. My parents, who find my love for the kid hilarious, cant tap into David because he is a kid. They just cant get past the fact he is only young even if they sometimes acknowledge what I say about him. That is exactly why he has to be who he is now.

I was thinking earlier how amazing it is that Crush has 1.6million units on a song that only got to #11 on the airplay chart. That is quite staggering and Crush is STILL going strong especially after iCarly. That doesnt just magically happen, Jive have been doing something.

I also think, as I said on my blog, what a GREAT move it was getting David at the Pro Bowl. Its stuff like that, that will leave a lasting impression on some people and I gurantee most people there were not David Archuleta fans.

I love the wide ranging discussion here. Love the differing viewpoints, even, or especially, when they diverge from my own. However, using words like neurotic or elitist, or accusing someone of being angry, seem to me to attack the person rather than the argument.

Maybe there’s a fine line here, but it changes the tone of the discussion for me when the person, rather than the ideas, are up for argument.

Since I’m now delayed waiting for a phone call, let me check back in here while I wait.

You mean, “Think outside the lunchbox”?

Very funny, TOfan, but yeah something like that!

Seriously, if Adele can be marketed and triumph as this year’s “Best New Artist” at the Grammys, what? David can’t be marketed as someone serious too? And I’d think Adele would be a harder person to sell in today’s pop music.

Yet, her label made it all about The Voice. Wholesomeness, American Idol, etc. is just stuff that’s getting in the way of appreciating David’s craft.

During the stretch of period when David was on AI – from Hollywood week on through the week he sang “Imagine” – he was at the height of his popularity. Then, David Cook happened, and he used his “cool rocker dude” to not only catapult his way to victory but to also make David pale in comparison as this “wholesome young balladeer.”

This could have only happened once TPTB forced him into such a straitjacket. When David is just himself, he does fine – like what Bliss said. All you need is David to sell David. Anyone else dismissing him just don’t know him outside of the “straitjacket” forced on him. I would just like his label/management to remember that’s what’s important: sell David, not some fabricated version of who David is.

No other gimmicks (like packaging him for a certain demographic because the wisdom says that only said demographic can appreciate David for who David is) are necessary when you’ve got The Voice – already attached to good looks and a winning personality – especially one that miraculously ages when he sings.

“David the Healer”
He’s helping me and doesn’t even know it.

“For any marketing profs out there, this would obviously make a great case study for your class. How to market an artist whose enormous mature talent on stage skews him to one demographic, while his off-stage adorkability skews to another?”

PERFECT! TOfan. This is the whole dilemma that faces us. No matter how much I adore David, love his music, search endlessly on the internet for any snippet of information about him, I can’t categorize him. When challenged by non-David fans it is often difficult to come up with exactly the right thing to say because there are so many facets to my beloved David. If I emphasize his voice, they challenge his young dorkiness that drives them crazy, if I talk about his love of the stage and how his live performances are so fun, their comeback is his stiffness, his lack of presence, if I talk about his amazing voice they say it is too mature for his image.

It isn’t easy selling David Archuleta…I know, I try every single day. But, bottom line, is that I get it…I’d love him no matter what the marketing strategy. And the best part is that there is David Archuleta music out there for me to listen to!

WHERE CAN I BUY THAT LUNCH BOX?! *spaz*

HG, I agree totally with your comments about Adele. This is the same market in which Jessica Simpson is portrayed as being fat, and probably in reality, she’s a size 8 at most because the camera adds about 10 pounds. When I saw the Idols on tour last summer in the signing line, I was *astounded* how pencil thin the women were. A couple looked positively anorexic, and at age 26, it is not healthy for a woman to be that thin. Even Carly, who was portrayed as being heavy on the show, was quite thin and the best looking of all of them.

All good points …. But I think we all need to have PATIENCE.

I personally think his next release will tell more about marketing strategy than will iCarly. As one of the posts suggested — iCarly was planned well ahead of his album and single releases.

We’re beyond that now …. and I’m waiting to see what that next release is ….. that will tell all!

Rascal, I was just about to post this comment when I saw your latest #214. Could not agree more, especially your last paragragh.

It doesn’t bother me that David is marketed at this time in his young career as a pop singer. I know that’s what he wants to do right now and it feels right to me too. He should sing songs that are radio friendly and give him a coolness factor that will dispell the stiff, balladeer reputation from AI that is so off-putting for some. This genre, with his unique touch, can be a wonderful workshop to hone his skills and open many doors and hearts. What I object to is his having to stoop down to the level of 10 year olds. Let them rise to meet him just as we who are older must fall back a little at this juncture and be patient with what will evolve. He is NOT still just a kid. He is a young man of 18, college age, for pete’s sake. He still has a little maturing to do, but that will come with time and life experience. On some levels, his maturity dwarfs that of men twice his age. I’m not trying to be elitist or claim him for only the middle-aged crowd. I just want him to be accorded the respect that comes with being an adult.

Ronald- you got my message this morning, or just appeared coincidentally? Good to hear from you. Sorry about the IQ. I didn’t watch…..already worried about my dying brain cells.

Agree with #221 (oh, and nice reference on #63, Angelica — poetry is of course open to many interpretations but yours gets closest to what I had intended…).

It’s not about wanting David to be the mature, revered singer now rather than later. No one who is arguing for more thoughtful marketing decisions is lacking “patience.” He should absolutely be who he is, appeal to a pop market, do fun and silly events. But there are two problems:

1. His marketing has so far been almost completely devoid of any efforts seeking to establish greater credibility with his peer group and with more legitimate musical audiences (including younger ones). There are lots of ways to do this, I won’t go into examples here; and

2. Many of the marketing decisions that have been made to appeal to specific markets have as their basis not only a lack of concern for David’s long-term interests, but a decidedly cynical imperative to cash out on his most obvious and superficial appeal at the cost of those interests.

I almost feel like image-wise, things have went backward since Sacramento, when I saw him fully comfortable with being a young, good-looking, and very talented guy. I wonder if he heard about it when his performance was seen there as too sexy and immoral by people involved in his camp.

No one wants to change David. Do they? They want to shift the marketing emphasis.

Why can’t David be marketed like an adult quirky person like Chris Martin? Here is a guy, pleasant in interviews, but when not talking about music has nothing to say and admits it. When talking about music he sucks you in. Music that pops into his head he scribbles on body parts and even on his piano. And he’s incredibly nervous when he has to try out a new song for his own band members, awaiting the thumbs up or down. Has a disarming way of refusing to talk about his private life.

This is David! Like when he talks about the lyrics to songs floating by on a raft that he has to jump onto…etc. That interview with Sleazak is the David that should be marketed.

David is cool! And it’s bad when Mormon’s ages 18-25 find him uncool.

Chenson 228. Jive got record sales for Jordin Sparks also. And she opened for Alicia Keys. Do you think she is further along in her career today? I wonder. Where’s the buzz? They’ve moved on. They don’t want any competition for DC right now. They want fast cash. Prop ‘em up. Go to the bank. If it doesn’t “happen” then dump ‘em.

How come Leona Lewis sold millions (not a mere 1.6 million)? How come she’s everywhere? I think because she isn’t with JIVE.

Freo 227 – You win a free autographed lunchbox for that entry.

Where is that David from WYSYLM LA and SLC? Where is the David from Sacramento? He’s in our hearts for sure, but he needs visibility by the masses.

Juliebug
I couldn’t agree with you more…My brain hurts regarding this topic. Maybe I’m not as business savy as a lot of you here so I feel like I’m drowning a little in all the marketing talk. (healthcare is my gig) I just want to throw out there that my fourteen year old son said “hey David Archuleta was on iCarly last night” And he’s a rather mature 14-year-old. but anyway, marketing strategy for David is not a topic I’m gonna touch. I would like to say that I hope David is keeping notes. The experiences he has had in the last year+ I believe would make for some great lyrics. I would like David, following this tour of course, to take time to write and compose. I bet he would love some major down time to do this. Go in a room, close the door and tinker on the piano…write down what comes to mind…create the music that’s bottled up inside. I for one prefer David’s songs over any other. I can be very patient.

Chenson – always like your posts! But why don’t you want David to be as cool as you are? HaHa
Love to meet you at Fanvention!

As cool as me? LOL

CHENSON, I totally agree with your line of thinking!
And age alone does not make someone an “adult”. Just because one day you’re 17 and the next you are 18, doesn’t make for INSTANT ADULTHOOD!

The comparisons made to Chris Martin — he is 30 years old and has been with his group since they were all 18 —that’s 12 years. He is VERY creative and quirky — but he’s a lot older than David.

I don’t think we’ll have to wait for 12 years for David, but as his own song says, “Good things come to those who wait” == Again, P-A-T-I-E-N-C-E on our part!

Spencer, I don’t. I am just speculating and worrying too much about David.

Thanks Freo. I was just wondering. It would certainly be a sad thing for David and us if he did not even have a say so on the direction and decisions made about his own career.

chenson – Chris – I am loving your posts and the teen male perspective – thanks for taking the time to let me see through your eyes!

You all are so smart and articulate, I just love coming here for some in-depth analysis

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with David just as he is, and I don’t think Rascal or anyone else thinks so, either (pardon me if I speak inaccurately for anyone!) People love David on “real” interviews (not TV show contrived line-written interviews). He’s charming in public, and he’s gorgeous (you knew I would have to get that in there!)

But that is not what is being marketed. Even in all his lovely dorkiness, I’ve never seen David be inappropriately “young” anywhere but in staged situations. Even when he says, “I like cartoons”, the DJ’s invariably say, “Hey, don’t tell anyone but I do too.” We don’t have to see him be IN the cartoon!

Look at the Hard Rock concert – he was free to do whatever he wanted, and he was charming and sexy and fun…and adult! His interaction with the audience was mesmerizing. He didn’t need a puppy dog to make him cute, he’s cute as an 18-year-old hunk and even 10-year-olds these days love a hunk.

iCarly dumbed him down – he’s smarter and wittier than that when he’s left on his own. Sure, he can mumble and chuckle and stutter over a question, but THAT is the real David. Not some valentine-candy-puppy-pre-adolescent.

If the marketers would just LOOK at him, they’d know they don’t have to do these goofy things to market him to teens; teens will find him because he’s so cool and cute. They could put him on the cover of People magazine or the Wall Street Journal and it would sell out from girls wanting to put the cover picture up on their bedroom wall. They don’t need to put him in TeenScene or whatever the heck it is.

Okay, I’m done ranting (I think). NOT! All they have to do is put him on stage in front of any demographic and he will shine. Let him be as young as he is, and as wise as we’ve seen him and let him take it from there. (Now, I’m done)

WhatJustHappened: He had me at “Shop Around”, too!

I’m another who can add little to this conversation, as I know little about marketing.

However, I did want to say, about the iCarly episode: that show does have high ratings among the tween/teen demographic, and David’s appearance there boosted his sales. Either some of the kids ‘forgot’ about him after Idol and were reminded, or he won new fans. Also, remember, people have enough options on television that they probably didn’t tune into that show unless they like the show itself, or unless someone in the household was a David fan. I doubt that tons of over-16s tuned in to iCarly on Saturday night on a whim. So although many are making the point that David’s marketing strategy may be flawed, I don’t think I buy that his overall image is being harmed by these promotions. One of you said that your husband didn’t want to listen to ALTNOY because he couldn’t forget the iCarly appearance. Well, my husband sat through iCarly and then asked if he could watch the SSB performance along with me, because he loves a good singer. Doesn’t seem to strike him as odd that David is being promoted in such variant ways. And he’s the one who pointed out to me at Borders this weekend that David’s CD was on the ‘up and comers’ rack.

In a similar vein, the pictures on the lunchbox were intended for the younger portion of the fanbase, I believe. (I think they’re from the David Archuleta fan publication?) The only adults who would have seen these either have ODD or are the parents/guardians of a kid fan. I have no idea what other celebrities might have done stints on kid-oriented TV or in kid-oriented magazines, because I’ve never bothered to check. Chris Brown has. I think we’ve determined that. I’d suspect that Taylor Swift has also done similar things — and I will say right now that I have been her fan for a while and have had to defend my opinion with my family. I bought her first CD and enjoyed it, and now that she is growing in popularity they are all suddenly on the train with me.

Rascal #214 With “his background and squeaky-clean lifestyle” David may just suprise us all and re-invent the current marketplace standards

Chenson #220 “The reinvention thing is a fact of longeivty in the music industry. Every artist has to do it, or at least try. No act of any sort stays the same, ever.”

Yup, I agree.

“I just think it would be destructive to market against his current persona, who he is as an artist right now, who he is as a person and stage he is at in his life.”

David is who he is and makes no excuses for it, and he will never try to be anything else. Let him evolve at his own pace… iCarly etc… aside, how could anyone listening to his rendition of SSB at the Pro Bowl not take him seriously as an artist? Can’t he have more than one side to him at any given time?

Mommuzboys === I totally agree with you!! And I remember David singing WAITING FOR THE WORLD TO CHANGE — He had me then!

I have ODD like everyone else! I just think the “speculation” on marketing strategy is the topic in question — for now I rest in peace — I know something of marketing strategy and I am in opposition with those who opened this discussion.

For everyone else marked by ODD — I’m right with you!
I RIP!

Chenson #228..wouldn’t it have been great if those 1.6 million units of CRUSH were purchased by 1.6 million people..instead of muliple units, 5,10,20 & more purchased by David’s fan base. So I don’t give Jive the credit for the 1.6 million units, and the same goes for the Album sales.
I guess what I’m trying to say is..give credit where credit is due for the success David has had so far..his very loyal Fans, the ones who have the resources, (and even the ones who don’t, but want to help David) to purchase multiple singles, albums & tickets to his concerts..and the credit doesn’t & shouldn’t go to Jive.

I’m thinking maybe David & Jeff were instrumental in organizing and booking the venues for the DAVID, LIVE concert tour. I was very happy cuz I realized as soon as I saw the dates & locations that the tour was geared to ADULTS, or that’s what I think anyway. I’m wondering if there will be a JIVE rep at any of the concerts?? Unless they are BLIND..they will see a very different David than the one we saw on iCarly..

That’s all…can’t say all I’d like to say..but it would all be wishful thinking and conjecture anyway..
Oh, and yes, TG will be back..and why not? This is a free country isn’t it? To be honest, I don’t know of anything TG has posted that had a negative affect on David..but then I’m not concerned about his personal life, and I make light about what I hear..like the school dance thingy. And I tend not to believe things that supposedly come from “reliable sources” about his professional life either.

Bottom line..I’ve love David seems like from the beginning of time, will keep loving David The Voice til the end of my time..

Later!

I don’t think the appearance on iCarly was a “grave mistake” or that it “dumbed” David down. Those in the show’s target audience know that the show is about talented teenagers who produce their own web series. To me, that’s a pretty cool concept. What I found ironic is that Jive/Azoff booked David on an episode with a storyline where three teens successfully use the Internet to promote a talented teen singer named David Archuleta. Perhaps Jive/Azoff can learn a lesson from this.

Also, David views his talent as a gift from God. The blonde co-star said that after David appeared on the show, for the next 2 wks, the entire iCarly crew (incl. the adults) talked about what an impact he made on their lives. I’m sure some of it had to do w/his refusal to say that he “hated” someone in one of his lines. Perhaps God used David as tool to convey a positive message to the iCarly crew.

Also, who’s to say that 5 yrs from now, Miranda Cosgrove, Jeannette McCurdy, the iCarly producers, etc. will not be key players in the entertainment world who want to work w/David again on even bigger projects.

Oh, Archangel, please don’t worry about that. I was merely pointing out that the iCarly appearance doesn’t necessarily have to be viewed as a misstep. I watched with my kid, who enjoyed her mother’s company. I suppose I have a problem with hearing that the show is as awful as it sounds (from hearing some of the complaints on here) since my daughter watches the show on occasion. This is a straight A-plus student who works on the student council, is loved by her teachers and wins awards for her artwork. I don’t believe for a minute that the show ‘dumbs her down’ — in fact I’m rather relieved when I see her watching it because she, like many other 13yos, is often attracted by shows with a more mature subject matter. If we’re saying that the show ‘dumbs us down’ — well, then we all know we only watched it for David, right?

ebonyangel #259, GREAT points!! A Hollywood Teenage Mafia, lol! Go, David!

course he may just think the actresses are hawt

I am stepping out of lurker-mode and hope that this post will not earn too many rotten tomatoes to come my way.

I will admit to a moment of panic at the sight of the lunch box (the lunchbox IS a joke, right?), then after further thought, I decided that even if David does appear on a lunch box, I’ll be okay with that. WHY? Justin Timberlake is the first reason that comes to mind. Watching Justin Timberlake at the Grammy’s last night made me think of David and how I hope that David is able to navigate his career as beautifully as JT has. I am not comparing them as artists in any way but when I think of JT’s start – lunch boxes, etc. along with all the other boy bands, I remember thinking at the time “Something sets JT apart from the rest of the guys.” I found it interesting that when the Grammy’s were in need of an extra act because of the Chris Brown/Rhianna situation, they turned to JT. It got me thinking that there were probably a lot of people last night thinking “who ever would have thought that JT would be considered a true artist and / or taken seriously in the industry” but for me, I always thought he had that potential, so I’m not surprised. I guess what I’m saying is that even if David appears on a lunchbox one day, it will be okay. He has the talent and the intelligence to reach his full potential. David is going to have a long career. The ten year olds and the tweens are going to be the ones supporting that journey. To include them now is not HORRIBLE. My daughter is 6 and she is lifelong David Archuleta fan. Which brings me to another performer from last night…NEIL DIAMOND!!! My mother was a huge Neil Diamond fan which in turn made me a Neil Diamond fan. I have seen Neil perform in concert many times with Mom. We just went to one of his concerts 3 years ago. I have to say…that all these years later, I’m still a fan. I got all girly and giddy last night on the phone talking to my Mom after his performance. Please…let’s be patient. This early marketing strategy will not hurt David in the long run. I KNOW that I will be at a David Archuleta concert 20 years from now with my daughter feeling just as much the fangirl that I am today.

A couple of points:

- No single appearance is being characterized as a “grave mistake,” at least not by me. I am more concerned with the emerging cumulative effect of a series of efforts that appear to reveal an intention to position David as a performer for children.

- Comparisons with acts like the JoBros are in my opinion pointless. Their appeal is in a completely different realm of reality than David’s. Similarly Elvis or the Beatles, although for somewhat different reasons. Comparisons that make more sense to me are those with performers like Alicia Keyes or with people that David himself has cited as influences… Someone please show me a teen magazine, a Nikelodeon show, or a lunch box that has showcased Eva Cassidy, Jason Mraz, Joni Mitchell (can you imagine?), or John Legend. It’s laughable. And so should be the idea of David appearing that way.

How many of you are aware that the Grammy-nominated JoBros recently posed in the same magazine with stuffed animals? One of those guys is in his twenties. I think that’s the magazine promotion — to give away stuffed animals as prizes.

Just sayin’.

Kait, that’s why NOBODY takes the Jonas Brothers seriously as music artists – Grammy nomination or no.

Ebonyangel, good points about iCarly. As silly and trite as I found this show, I did think it had subversive elements – I mean, any show that promotes young girls doing their own media via the latest technology will always get some kind of kudo points from me. Just wish it had some real intelligence in the writing (I grew up on teenage shows like “Classisa Explains it All,” “My So-Called Life,” and “Daria,” so I have high standards). I also like the concept of how they were able to “mobilize the vote” (Youth Vote for Obama anyone?) and to subtly criticize David’s competition.

That said, it’s still pretty beneath the maturity of David – even if he too likes this show.

And speaking of maturity…

WhatJustHappened, you are on fire today! I especially agree 100% with the following:
He is trying to make a career in music not modeling so he needs to move his youthful good looks and wholesome (sometimes childlike?) persona toward the maturity of his music. Not vice versa. Market that mature David who ‘handled’ Kathy Griffin. The seventeen magazines with him on the cover will sell based on his looks alone; he doesn’t have to act seventeen.

And this! Surely, we can change marketing plans if this is true:
David is cool! And it’s bad when Mormon’s ages 18-25 find him uncool.

Are you kidding me? David is cool! If his label/management can’t even establish that basic truth in their publicity, then what are they doing?

“Someone please show me a teen magazine, a Nikelodeon show, or a lunch box that has showcased Eva Cassidy, Jason Mraz, Joni Mitchell.”

If they’d have been plucked from obscurity at 17 and looked cute on a locker poster, I bet they would have.

I am so confused by Jive’s marketing and why he is being pitched to a demographic way too young for him. No 18-year-old that I know would watch iCarly or Nickelodeon for that matter. The 18-year-olds that I teach watch The Hills, 90210, The Office, Gossip Girls, and Friday Night Lights.

mommuzboys #262 No, it’s not possible to portray all that David is in a first impression. But you want to portray the parts of him that you want people to remember that make them understand he is a singer/songwriter. Even when he is talking in an interview, he’s usually talking about music or AI or how he got started watching that vid of Les Mis. Those are the things that built a singer/songwriter.

marlie
I don’t want to see parts of him, I want to see all of him. wait, that didn’t come out quite right

Freo
All the big stars eventually appear on Sesame Street…we can dream

Oh goodie! A new blog from David (thanks, Stenocruiser).

See what I mean? David unadulterated, unleashed, unplugged – just having a grand time and promoting good music.

What part of this persona even suggests that he’s “too young” to be marketed to his own peers, or worse, that he should be marketed to the lunch-box set?

On another note, I would give my eye tooth to get a picture of him and Enrique Iglesias together – GAH!

Hot Latin boys overload!

HG – thanks for actually reading my posts (rambles).

Can’t post. Suffering from Blog Fog! GAAAHHH!

David Archuleta is so different from other artists. He is a GOD blessed prodigy
and it pains me to watch him sing on marketplaces where people disrespectful talks together, while he is sharing his gorgeous gift with us – his voice !! I live in europe and have followed David since AI audience. As he sang IMAGINE I was like bewitched by his voice – and his way to performe. No.. David was not dancing and jumping, but his inexplicaple charisma and the passion in his face was/ is enough for me. David is not able to feel HOW talented he is – I think. I absolutly agree with Rascal. With your heart and your logical sence connected, you are able to show us what pure love is to David Archuletas talent. Thank you !!
Your wise words is a “wake up” call !
I wish David could find the right (heart & logic)persons to guide him into his rightful career path. We don`t have to forget David Archuleta is not a pop boy, but a prodidy You can watch, hear and feel it. I think he is sharing his unique voice with everyone who “gets it”. All of you are fantastic. Thank you to be here !!

I just had to post this. Grammy winner, Lincoln Memorial performer, John Legend is coming my local Walmart for a ‘Meet n Greet’ .

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Attention Arizona Fans!! Meet John Legend on Valentine’s Day!

On February 14th, John will do a CD signing at Wal-Mart Supercenter!

Starting at 1pm, you will have a chance to meet John and have your copy of Evolver signed by the man himself.

Arizona fans, you don;t want to miss this!

Wal-Mart Supercenter
1380 West Elliott Road
Tempe, AZ 85283

2/14/09 at 1:00pm

Having just visited IDF, I must say I’m glad we can have these in-depth conversations about how David is marketed.

An Archie over there actually looked at the sad situation concerning the Chris Brown/Rihanna domestic violence incident and exclaimed that this is “good” for David since this means Jive will now have more time to devote to his career. (The assumption, of course, is that Chris Brown is going down over this.)

So, not sure other fansites are necessarily having a discussion about how helpful certain marketing strategies are. The focus seems to be as long as Jive has more of them. Regardless of the cost.

The domestic violence situation is so sad. I am assuming that Rihanna reported him? I think that the incident was also witnessed by others at the park.

I’m back and hoping no tomatoes are coming my way.

One thing about this group, even if we disagree about the details of David’s career…we all LOVE our David. Heck, how many adults sit around reading and posting about the “career” of an 18 year old? How many 18 year olds could ATTRACT a group of adults like us? Just one!

SF, do you really believe the solo tour is all Jeff and David’s doing and not Jive? Where are you getting that sense?

ebonyangel #298 I don’t worry too much about those radio sponsored appearances. I do wish the DJ’s were briefed a little about what they should and should not ask David to do.

HG #296 It’s a shame and a waste that Chris Brown couldn’t control himself, but it is time to put the bad boys (and girls) in their place – out on their butts. You can be sexy (Oh, do you sing, Kathy?) and adorable and talented and not have to go over the edge. I’d love this to be David’s time to shine and “show ‘em how it’s done”.

rascal-

“Out, damned spot! Out, I say!”…..

haven’t we suffered enough? haven’t those that need to see, seen?
HG- I’m beginning to laugh at it too now….it’s either that or I will go mad…

“Out, damned spot! Out, I say!”…..

O’My Gosh & Heck Everyone,
Please give me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

Taking one David performance at a time;
Enjoying each moment of David’s song every time;
Acknowledging this journey’s twists as the pathway to David’s success;
Taking this entertainment world for what it is,
not as I, novice of novices, may wish it to be;

Trusting that ultimately David’s artistry will prevail
as I believe in his talent and destiny;
That I will be enriched by this fan journey
and support to the fullest extent what David, himself, wishes to achieve.

Plus, I think if JIVE were totally on board and backing David The Voice..Live! Tour, I really think they would pay for the AOL sessions band. After all, they performed with David at the Primesource gig.
The concert will only help JIVE’ coffers..cuz $ is what it’s all about..with increased single & album sales..so I hope I’m wrong and they are funding the tour.

Let me also say that I think the David The Voice..Live! Tour will be extremely successful for David..
There’s only one thing that worries me a little, and that’s if what was posted as fact per Jeff, that David will be singing 15 songs! A dream come true for us..but at what cost to THE VOICE? He has shows almost every night for 4 weeks and he’s sung 10 songs in one set only once in his life! That is VERY worrisome to me. David’s voice is very precious..he MUST take great care with his gift and I think he does, so I’m taking that info with a grain of salt..but we shall see.

#303 – i heart kizzi

rae…you think I’m “infamous”?? That hurts!

Jack the Ripper was infamous, Lorena Bobbit was infamous, Lizzie Borden was infamous! I’ve never killed anyone..or chopped off anything off of anyone!

A new David prayer! Thanks Kizzi#303.

SF, I too was tuning into President Obama’s address. Sigh.

Back to David. You make valid points, and I had not paid attention to Jive’s promotions of the tour. I had assumed they were behind the news releases that show up in People and a bunch of other celebrity sites, no?

dawn306- will you be joining our pre or post Sayerville gathering?

The poster above who mentioned Justin Timberlake was reading my mind (sorry, I’m watching Westminster at the same time and can’t relocate the post.) I’ve loved JT through all his stages of career development and it’s still evolving. At last count I think he played seven instruments. I will be thrilled if David moves along a path of such satisfying achievement, doing what he loves in any form that pleases him. Sometimes I think it’s the writing that really beckons him. I hope I’m still around when he takes the stage as Neil Diamond did last night to the respect and adulation of his fans, years down the road. For now I just can’t wait for my tour dates to arrive.
I hated the iCarly bit, but I still trust the Archuletor.

I am so looking forward to seeing David on concert again..10 songs or 15 songs, doesn’t matter as long as he doesn’t push himself..he’ll know after the first couple of venues what he can do safely..so he can increase or decrease his set. David’s health and The Voice is paramount. What works for him, works for me!

Good night everyone! And you too rae! …and for our David..I added a few words cuz he’s spe-shul and I love him more today than yesterday!…

Dear Lord, Though we are unworthy to ask,
Please take Care Of David. Watch over him, Protect him from all harm. Cloak him with your love and give him the strength to endure all that is thrown in his path. Give David the courage and guidance to say no to those who ask for more than he can reasonably give. Surround David with loving and supportive people who love him UNCONDITIONALLY as we, his Archangels do. Separate David from those who have agendas other than for his well being. Give him rest when he’s weary. Give him stamina to sustain his hectic pace. Give him assurance when he feels doubt. Give him joy when he feels sad. Cloak him always in your protective arms. Keep David and HIS VOICE healthy & strong as he fulfills his Destiny which was written in his Book of Life before he was born.
Though we may be unworthy, we humbly pray.
Amen.

Sweet dreams! Be safe & secure in our love always! Take care. You will always be numero uno in our eyes! Thank you for all you do and for just being you!
CONTIGO SIEMPRE CON AMOR!

Hey Marlie:

This is one of my favorite 1000 miles videos. It’s the one where the keyboard malfunctions at the start. Not only is the way David handles it very endearing, but this video is close up and clear. Love those beautiful smiles!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XucKMloYLec

I’m hoping right along with you Happy

rae:

Thats from the z100 Jingle Ball I went to! You’re right, that one can’t be beat for the joy on David’s face!

Great to re-watch!

Kizzi #303 OH…The SERENITY Prayer!

“Please give me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.”

You are the calming of the storm.

dawn326- meeting at restaurant near venue around 4pm and then heading over as we each desire (have plenty of starparking to carpool) and then meeting at local hotel after to bask in Archuglow….

It’s time for me to sign off.

Do you realize next week will be the first year anniversary of David’s “Heaven” performance? Don’t forget to mark Feb. 19th as a special day (for those of you who saw David the first time like I did when “Hello Gorgeous” was born).

I’m marking the time now because I’ll be out of the country next week and don’t know if I’ll get a chance to peek in on ND. I’m changing my avi in anticipation!

G’nite all! Until next time!

happy .. gonna have to work out my details on this one. We are local, only about 20 miles north of venue. 4 PM.. is that early enough ? Are you familiar with Starland ?

Marlie, (#304) thanks, you’ve got me looking at all the jingle thingies again. (fun!)

Let me add: tho’ not technically a *jingle thingy* that first ATM (especially ronald’s deluxe remix. EXcellent audio AND video) is hard to beat. A fabulous intro to David for any *uninitiated*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZlNKvzbA1Q&feature=channel_page

Did you throw this one in?

Philly Jingle, Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas (guh!) Video a little rough, audio, positively DIVINE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNhOfjfGfSs&feature=channel_page

I’m looking at some TMH for you — to see if I can find a *best quality* vid. Did you already find a “best” one?

You’ll have to post your final list so we can see what you sent your friend! (Hm… we should put together a whole series of little video link “archu_initiation packages”. There are so many possibilities.)

beebee Oh, thanks, I’m going to check those out. And yes, I’ll share my link note with everyone. I’m still looking for a good Touch My Hand. I suspect it might be Buffalo as there are some pretty good ones of that show.

I have a set of links I sent to someone who never watched Idol and it starts with some of his AI performances as an early introduction (Imagine, of course!)

Hey Marlie7, are you interested in the Christmas Carols too?

This is my video of David singing The Christmas Song at Albany’s Jingle Jams:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1yj7_Z2LxI

Sorry for the visual, but the audio is sharp.

G’nite!

dawn333- starland is a bar/local music venue located on a rural road next to a junkyard. Some can meet earlier but most find 4pm to be agreeable. We will be meeting about 5 miles from the venue. What town are you coming from?

HG! That’s the one I picked! The sound is awesome on that one. Thanks!

happy … driving down from Hillside.. Starland is the old HunkaBunka ..

Sagittarius, I thought you said we were entitled to our own opinions. Sounds like you are telling me why I shouldn’t have mine.

I have no problem with you disagreeing with my analysis – heck, I might disagree with it later. But I don’t appreciate being told to stop being so analytical – I can’t help being that way, I just am. And I don’t think we are sowing negative ideas. We are wondering if the marketing might be detrimental to David in the long run…or the short run. Sounds like concern to me.

angelica, marlie and me- 346,347,348— hey! same post all at the same time! great minds think alike!

“looking” – typing in the dark!

I just got a new Google Alert for David (blush) and it looks like there is a new David blog, or maybe I’m just behind the times.

http://david-daily.com/?p=248

betsy#350 Priceless!

“That was American Idol David Archuleta. Up next, another American Idol, David Cook”.

Who says winning is everything?

rascal-
“Sir, I love you more than words can wield the matter;
Dearer than eyesight, space, and liberty;
Beyond what can be valued, rich or rare;
No less than life, with grace, health, beauty, honour;
As much as child e’er lov’d, or father found;
A love that makes breath poor, and speech unable.
Beyond all manner of so much I love you….”

maybe if I profess my love for you, you will be moved with compassion to show mercy…..

good night all. thanks for the fun.

HG. the idea of John Legend having to do this gives me the willies, but I guess this is an apocalyptic time in the industry.

Ebonyangel, if you get him to sing Crush in the deli section no less, one of his fansites will have a picture of him snuggling a stuffed animal on a lunchbox, lol. (Rascal, I love you and I am kidding!)

Kizzi, we could all use a little serenity, bless you!

Betsy, I would have been grinning. and doing a little dance of joy too, lol.

happy #348 Special award of eloquence and wit to you my dear for your lovely rant. We all need to save that one for future use!

I’m a longtime lurker coming out of lurkdom. I’m a huge fan of David’s and have visited the other fansites but I love to come and read here. The discussions are very thought provoking and people’s opinions are respected. It’s not all about the gushing over a hundred pictures of David. It’s about who he is as an artist and where his journey in the music business is taking him. I too have had many thoughts lately about what is happening with his marketing. Before the new year there were many polished appearances at a national level on talk shows and late night shows. There were also appearances at radio stations in major cities and Jingle Balls with other artists. Since the new year has begun it seems as though things have changed. It’s not necessarily that the changes are all negative. It just seems that some momentum has been lost along the way and that the fanbase,although strong,isn’t gaining alot of non-Idol fans. Although some may not feel this is that important,it is for album and concert ticket sales. It’s also important if David is to produce more music under major labels. Even if he doesn’t want to become a huge star he has said he’d like to be able to make a living doing what he loves. I know he can do this in many ways like songwriting,etc. but he does need to be known and remembered if he’s to accomplish his goals. The way he is perceived by the public factors heavily in his success. Sometimes I think that he may have been better off finishing high school and college before starting a music career just to get some normal life experience. Other times I think that he’s doing the right thing striking while the iron is hot. It’s not for me or anyone but David to say. I love how genuine and humble he is but his self-deprecation bothers me at times too. He needs to believe in himself and his great gift so that others will believe in him. I’m hoping this will happen with more life experience and maturity. Until then I’ll continue to support his work wholeheartedly,even if it means sitting through an episode of iCarly or listening to him interview on Radio Disney.

Rascal: This topic, like some others you’ve given us to chew on, confirms my opinion of you. You are undoubtedly what my old Sergeant Major used to colorfully describe as “a cer-tee-fied s— disturber”! Bless ya! You sure know how to rile the troops up. Keeps us coming back, that’s for sure.

I share the opinions so well expressed by Lamblisskasden, Brooklyn Dawn, Pabuckie, Central7980, Chenson and others regarding the topic. I agree that David should be allowed to follow his own star, to listen to his own instincts, and be permitted a decent amount of time to develop his social and interpersonal skills at his own speed. In this I agree with a wise, now departed old aunt of mine who always said that “Talent will out.” She also used to say that “Breeding always shows”, but that’s another story.

Chenson #220 (and a whole bunch of other posts): I don’t believe for a moment that you are only 18 or 19. Far too much savvy for a teenager! Tell the truth! You are really 28 or so, aren’t you?

JR #176: Bless you for providing that v-clip. I can’t tell you how happy I felt to see the kid (Sorry Rascal, he’ll always be a kid to me, just as I am still a kid to my 86 year old aunt) at a party by and for adults, even if it was hosted Ed Hardy, the clothes maven. We all know how much David loves his clothes shopping, don’t we? It would have made my year to have seen him with a cocktail in his hand, though that must be illegal in Utah at his age. I hope that he put his drink aside just for the camera’s sake, keeping up his squeaky clean image for his fans. Nevertheless, his appearance there was so reassuring to me that he is getting out into the real, adult world. Would that one of the models decided that it was time to show the kid a thing or two…. But if not then, sooner or later it’s bound to happen, and I for one will be very happy for him when it does. It’s all about ‘seasoning’ isn’t it?

Also, regarding the news that David will make his first overseas appearance in the Philippines: How appropriate! No other country loves young stars like the Philippines. They are truly worshipped there, and from all indications, David is BIG, BIG, BIG in the archipelago.

Thanks to those who commented on my post of two days ago. Nice to get some feedback.

Little Mushroom #302 from the last topic, “I’m Yours”: Merci! Merci beaucoup! Thank you so much for introducing me to Gregory Lemarchal. He was a wonderful singer. So sad that he died so young. I wonder how he would have sung “La vie en rose?” And please do translate “Je t’ ecris.” My college French is mostly forgotten, though I do manage to pick up a phrase or two.

#366 Oh my my (”Stand by Me” at the Polynesian Cultural Center). A great way to start the day.

It is heartwarming (it really is, I am not being facetious) that some of the most articulate among you can also be so naive… Realmusiclover, and all the members you cite with whom you agree: The notion that David’s current career trajectory amounts to what HE has chosen — the following of his own star, as you put it — is, with all due respect, nonsense. Virtually every move David makes amounts to a contractual obligation to follow what others have determined is the most effective way to get their pound of flesh. I will even go so far as to suggest that all his blog mentions of that TV show were based on requests to do so. “What David wants”? Hardly. I don’t mean to suggest that he is necessarily against it all, or that he is dead certain he has better ideas on how to promote his career, but the assumption that this is all his doing is quite simply false. I suspect that this is also why some folks get so offended by the idea of criticizing these efforts–they are under the misapprehension that we are somehow criticizing David’s decisions, when in fact he had in all likelihood very little if anything to do with them.

ebonyangel – you beat me to it – you go girl. I loved this SBB at the Polynesian Cultural Centre. I especially got a real laugh as David’s accompianist’s antics to stand by David. PURE FUN.

Should we be concerned that the people there disrespected David by laughing at these antics, or that the musician himself disrespected David in doing what he did?

I don’t think so… looks to me like an impromtu performance, something that is pure David. I think we can expect more of this kind of thing from him. And I am loving it. The people there will take home a memory they will likely never forget. Tourists from all over, I know I have been there and you see people from all corners of the world. Talk about promotion for David.

HG – Did David get paid for this? My guess is NOT, but I could be wrong.

Rascal $369 – Interesting to me that I never took any of the above comments re marketing stratege to be aimed at David. It just brought me down a little that the comments seemed to be going round and round in circles over something over which we have no – or very, very, very little control over IMVHO.

awestruck : We are always commenting on all things David all the time. And which things DO we have control over? lol If we were limited to posting accordingly, Rascal would have to board up the house.

Collegemom #376 “I can’t think of any other musician who has so many mothers, fathers, aunts, uncles and spouse/significant other wannabes who feel compelled to chime in as though he was their own and who do feel that he is their own, me included. He is a lucky guy.”

LOL If only David really knew!

A blog re. David in Hawaii and a 2nd performance of SBM!

http://andrewjosedmordeno.blogspot.com/2009/02/monday-with-david-archuleta.html

ebonyangel #366 – you made my day with that link of SBM! Thanks!

HG #368 – I’ve copied and saved happy’s lovely rant in case it’s needed in the future. Or maybe we could just refer to it as “happy’s house rules.” Thanks again happy, you totally rock!

WhatJustHappened #375 Too true, I guess I just took things the wrong way.